SACD vs LP

my cart and turntable and arm are all used. My last cart was too.
... and the turntable and cart and arm before that too.

Like Ian said - bought from a reputable dealer then no worries.... no prizes for guessing where mine came from!

I think if you really know what youre doing you can get 1st rate high end vinyl sound for £500. Less than that, and I think itd sound good, but maybe not A1 class! (A1 class by the Chris official ratings grade!)

But then, if you really know what youre doing you can get 1st rate CD sound for £500. ! (like my soon to arrive CAL dac yipeeee! well, I like it)

Cheers
Chris

Back to the question though - or to change it slightly....

WHO WOULD BUY AN SACD PLAYER INSTEAD OF A RECORD PLAYER IF THEY WANTED A 2ND SOURCE?

That truly is the essence of the question SACD vs LP.

I feel its already been answered - and its a case of '' back catologue of LPs talks, marketing mens hype walks''
 
Originally posted by bottleneck
WHO WOULD BUY AN SACD PLAYER INSTEAD OF A RECORD PLAYER IF THEY WANTED A 2ND SOURCE?

That truly is the essence of the question SACD vs LP.

I feel its already been answered - and its a case of '' back catologue of LPs talks, marketing mens hype walks''
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I basically agree but the one thing that would put me off a TT is that a lot of the non-classical music I listen to (electronica, "chillout" for want of a better word) is probably not available on LP and neither is a lot of new music.

OTOH, if I bought an SACD player I could still use it as a transport for my CDs into my DAC64 and play the 3 SACDs in existence I might be tempted to buy :D (I already have one of them ;) )

For me basically I simply don't see the need for a 2nd source of any kind, whether LP, SACD or DVD-A.

Michael.
 
Originally posted by michaelab
I basically agree but the one thing that would put me off a TT is that a lot of the non-classical music I listen to (electronica, "chillout" for want of a better word) is probably not available on LP and neither is a lot of new music.


Michael.
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Hi Michael -

Gotta say my experience is one hundred percent the opposite..

Remembering that most DJs spin vinyl not CDs, if its the type of music that might be played in a club it WILL be available on vinyl.

So basically any dance music dervitive IS available on vinyl.

... and as for the 12 inch singles from the artist - you often find them ONLY on vinyl.

Someone will probably now find a dance music album only out on CD... but theyd have to look pretty damn hard..
 
true mate...

As I said though, if its going to be played in any sort of club, anywhere in any town, it'll need to be on vinyl... otherwise the DJ's wont/cant spin it.

Ive been to loads of clubs playing electronica, chillout etc ..

You can get most albums new on vinyl, I just wish the new releases were released at CD prices in the shops.

I think charging more for an LP is unfair, and the record companies should offset the additional cost of producing a small vinyl run against the profit made on CD.

... amalgamated into a fairer pricing policy.

Blimey, Ive gone well off-topic now
 
Originally posted by bottleneck
Back to the question though - or to change it slightly....

WHO WOULD BUY AN SACD PLAYER INSTEAD OF A RECORD PLAYER IF THEY WANTED A 2ND SOURCE?

That truly is the essence of the question SACD vs LP.

I feel its already been answered - and its a case of '' back catologue of LPs talks, marketing mens hype walks''
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Does DVD-A Not even get a mention then?
 
Originally posted by bottleneck
Someone will probably now find a dance music album only out on CD... but theyd have to look pretty damn hard..
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NOW Dance 2003?? :)

and I *think* Transient's Psychadelic Dreams is only out on CD (and is a niiiiiice little compilation!)

I don't get people who only have one source anyway - variety is the spice of life... Audio-wise, I have SEVEN of the damn things, and still need open reel and DAT :)
 
Dom,

You'll never be able to afford a Naim CDX with an attitude like that! ;) There is no substitute, if that's the sound you want, then that's the player you'll have to aim for.

BTW, the Bowie album with "Let's Dance" and "China Girl" is called "Let's Dance", isn't it? :) Many say his worst album, but I like it, probably because it's very commerical. :D
 
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Originally posted by michaelab
I basically agree but the one thing that would put me off a TT is that a lot of the non-classical music I listen to (electronica, "chillout" for want of a better word) is probably not available on LP and neither is a lot of new music.


Michael.
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Hi Michael -

Gotta say my experience is one hundred percent the opposite..

Remembering that most DJs spin vinyl not CDs, if its the type of music that might be played in a club it WILL be available on vinyl.
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The use of Cd by DJs is increasing all the time. It depends on what style you DJ. A lot of club stuff is out on CD/MP3 on promo & not always on vinyl or limited numbers of vinyl. The CD players in clubs are getting better. I'm getting sent a lot more cd promo singles but vinyl is still king in a lot of DJ areas.



So basically any dance music dervitive IS available on vinyl.
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Again not all releases are on vinyl. Most are but a fair number are on a limited release or only on promo. I've had records on vinyl on promo which have never got a full vinyl release. They have only been on sale to the general public on cd.


Someone will probably now find a dance music album only out on CD... but theyd have to look pretty damn hard..
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There are alot of dance music albums on cd with stuff that is not on vinyl or hard to find on vinyl.


it'll need to be on vinyl... otherwise the DJ's wont/cant spin it.
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Not true. More & more DJs spin tunes in their sets with both records & cd. Certain styles of music you do get all vinyl (e.g. Northern soul, Hip Hop/Turntablism, etc) but a number, like myself, have learned to do the business with both.



I must admit, I prefer vinyl when I DJ.


SCIDB
 
Hi Dean

Well, cant really argue with that - you being a DJ and all.


Still, I would emphasize that the times I cant get the music I want on LP its never a dance/electronic album - and virtually all major dance releases seem to come out on vinyl.

Chris
 
OK - but vinyl is still relatively hard to get hold of. Especially in Portugal :)

For example, the new Nitin Sawhney album - I pre-ordered it on Amazon for £8.99. Delivered to my door. Where could I get that on vinyl? Is it even available?

As it happens I do currently make frequent trips to London and have noticed the big stores (HMV, Virgin, Tower) do have pretty large vinyl sections but there's nothing like that in Lisbon. All the record stores on Berwick Street (Soho) probably have a good selection too but again, nothing like that in Lisbon.

For convenience and easy availability of new music there's just no comparison with CD and if SACD replaces it then the same will be true for SACD. It's a big IF though.

For someone considering a second source the question would be "what for?". I don't see any remotely convincing argument for SACD at the moment. IMO the improvement in quality is not significant and there's almost no software available. As for LP - I'd only get one to listen to older records which either don't exist on CD or only in poor remasters. As I'm not hugely into either 70s music or Jazz that would mainly be classical recordings from the 60s & 70s and I can't justify the expense of an LP for that.

Michael.
 
Originally posted by michaelab
OK - but vinyl is still relatively hard to get hold of. Especially in Portugal :)

For example, the new Nitin Sawhney album - I pre-ordered it on Amazon for £8.99. Delivered to my door. Where could I get that on vinyl? Is it even available?



Michael.
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''HUMAN'' ? Got my copy on double vinyl, sounds great :D

Fair play on the lack of shops mate. Not many in MK where I live either.. HMV have a got a few, but its a trip to another town really to get it..
 
Originally posted by bottleneck
''HUMAN'' ? Got my copy on double vinyl, sounds great :D
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That reminds me of another downer about vinyl - you have to get up every 20 minutes and turn it over just when you were getting into the music :mad: - and of course pretty much all new albums are made to CD "dimensions" so are all double LPs.

Michael.
 
That doesn't bother me at all - keeps me fit! Besides, 74 minutes of diluted talent isn't as good as 40 minutes of full on rawness - albums are too freakin' long these days.

Hole's "Live through this" at 37 minutes is an ideal length if you ask me. The Music's album is pretty good - but is pushing length, anything longer than 50 minutes should be greatest hits only if you know what I mean.
 

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