Hi,
Dev said:
I also understand why the police felt it necessary to shoot him but I feel there are many questions that need answering, some of these I've already asked in earlier posts. I'm just having problem understanding the events as reported. It just doesn't seem to add up. To me at least. We just need to wait until more facts are revealed.
From the start of this incident hitting the news, there were a number of things that seemed strange. As it unfolded, things seemed more odd. A lot of questions do need to be answered. One main comment is why didn't the police challenge Jean Charles de Menezes before he got to the station? Where did they get the info that Mr Menezes was a terrorist? Hopefully, the truth will come out.
The Media likes to get the news to the masses as it happens. Too often this news can be half truths, lies or speculation. It's great when it gets it right, damaging when it gets it wrong. At times, it's like never letting the truth get in the way of a good story.
lhatkins said:
I was just pointing out that not only do we 'home grow' our terrorists we 'home fund' them too.
hell why don't we just give out leaflets tell them how to make the bloody bombs and where to place them, that's what the lefties and librials want ya?
At the end of the day, a hell of a lot of people in this country have the potential of being terrorists. A lot people have know how to cause injury, havoc and death. Information on doing it is taught in schools, in colleges, in university, in workplaces, in the home, from libraries, off the internet, from book, from the armed forces etc. Alot of this is funded by our society.
The vast numbers of these people will not cause havoc because it morally wrong and they don't want to hurt people, etc. A small percentage will be capable of doing these nasty acts and will do them if given the chance.
Lt Cdr Data said:
bristish asylum demands good character which appears to have been overlooked, and the guy was on benefits.
It offends me deeply that someone who this country takes in,gives a home and financial support turns around and calls us all evil and tries to kill us.
then we have to keep him in prison for the rest of his life costing hundreds of thousands, no doubt with gyms, libraries, sat tv, free phone calls.
just send the bugger abroad and leave him to saudi justice.
everyone wants to say it
get rid of islamist stirrers. once and for good.
That isn't a daily mail response, its natural outrage at repaying kindness with evil.
Anyway, how do these people who say 'daily mail respone' know what is in the mail, I don't read it. do they?
someting is very wrong with this system. the country has gone far too soft.
asylum is a very kind act, certainly not evil.
What has this got to do with Asylum? Evil people come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Benefits don't neccessary make people evil.
Evil people will commit crimes for different reasons. Plenty of evil people are not asylum seekers and been granted asylum. A lot of asylum seeker want to do well in this country and contribute to it.
Getting rid of extermists is something talked but how far do you go? This country has had various extermists over the years but are not a major problem if they keep within the law.
Lt Cdr Data said:
(I know our society has issues, serious ones, and in some ways, muslim ones are more 'moral'.
I for one would not mourn the loss of soaps and some of the stuff on telly, etc...)
but that doesn't make me want to kill indiscriminately.
People kill and cause havoc for different reasons. They have done for centuries. You can't blame it all on the telly.
Lt Cdr Data said:
one of the reasons muslims become villified in general is that they don't mix, they stay in their communities, I have found many to be quite pleasant, but by doing this they don't do themselves any favours.
Its almost as tho they are a separate part.
If they wish to coexist, they should mix and if they don't like the laws or state of the country they should choose someplace else.
segragation invites mistrust, misunderstanding, dislike and is the cause of myriad of problems.
Heavymental said:
The problem isn't people staying in their communities, it is people who view this as a negative and form their own image of what that community stands for. This is why Muslims are up in arms about the bombings because they know they will feel the repercussions as people become suspicious of them. There are two strong images of Muslims in our country at the moment. One is Amir Khan, a fine athlete and role model. The others are the suicide bombers and their accomplices. All are from similar communities but couldn't be further apart in their outlook. Which of these ambassadors do you want to view as a representative of the Muslim people?
I go along with Heavymental's comments, Ian. On the face of it, there plenty of people, non muslims, who don't mix. Plenty of white British people don't mix with each other.
From experience, a lot of problems are due to how people can view various groups. alot of this viewing is done with little knowledge, hearsay and rumour. This leads to stereotyping and mistrust. Too often we people use one bad example of someone from a group and think they are all like that.
Heavymental said:
Don't expect Muslims to come knocking at your door to offer you samosa's and rugs, that isn't what integration is about. Integration is about standing on the tube together, standing in a supermarket queue together, walking the same streets and living parallel. Just respect each others culture and get on with life.
Intergration has a lot to do with being able to get on with people who are different to you. This can be race, religion or culture. We all need to work together to improve our society.
Heavymental said:
Don't expect Muslims to tune into Dads Army as I'm sure they don't expect you to tune into Bollywood films. Just respect each others culture and get on with life.
On the other hand, don't be surprised if muslims like Dad's Army or White British people liking Bollywood films. There are loads of examples of people from different cultures and backgrounds have intergrated with ideas and items from other cultures.
Food is one of the biggest ones with the rise of spicy foods from all around the world becoming every day fare.
Music is another. A big example is with Black American music becoming the corner shop of alot of popular music. We have also seen it go both ways. Black American music influencing white British Bands, who in turn influence American bands with their hybrid music.
We have seen the mix of culture with religion and culture. An example, Christanity has embraced a number of pagan celebrations and adapted them for Christmas celebrations. I know plenty of muslims we send Christmas cards to wish people well.
At the end of the day, not all of these changes we're going to like.
But a level of tolerance needs to be shown, on all sides.
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the bbc news site seems to have pulled the artical that stated it was the bombers house he was seen leaving, so they've corrected themselves, (probably to stop them being sued) but I did see it there and on SKY NEWS originally and obvioulsy this is incorrect. Maybe the media should learn a lesson about getting their ***king facts right.
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