sorry..........

hang on dean.l !

speak for yourself!!

 

No, alright dean.l I think I see what your saying but I as far as I am aware we don't regularly stone 17 yo girls to death here for seeing a lad who follows another religion.

(That would seem to be the cause of the killling - do we have a reason to disbelive this story?)

 

I don't think they do there either.
I'd be willing to bet that there have been more children raped and killed here for no reason, than there have been people stoned over there for no reason,
if you accounted for there being more people there of course.


here you go.
a story about england being crap.
I don't particularly believe all of this either.
http://www.ias.org.uk/resources/publications/alcoholalert/alert200701/al200701_p14.html

 

According to a recent BBC documentary, domestic violence (murder!) is the biggest cause of death for woman under 40 here in the UK. A bigger killer than car accidents or illness. How is that for savage?

Not sure I fully believe it, but it must be pretty high if they say that.

 

I will never understand why in this day and age so many people accept an irrational barbaric fantasy such as religion. I hope every moronic thug that even looked at a rock or stone sideways is lined up and shot along with all the associated religious leaders that pedal this poisonous crap.

Tony.

 

......er, maybe but two wrongs don't make a right.

Besides, having stones thrown at your head doesn't strike me as being an especially pleasant way to go.

 

I'm sure you're right Simon but , excuse my saying so, isn''t this a fairly irrelevant observation?

I adre say thereare cases of domestic violence in Iraq etc.

 

My concern with this is that like here, no-one seems to think theres anything wrong and therefore be prepared to step in and say stop. Kids are beating eachother to death in our towns on a Friday and Saturdy night and youve only to be inthe wrong place at the wrong time and youre in trouble....

 

My point really was similar to dean.l's; that it is not just Iraq that has messed up people doing horrible things to each other. You see, my first reaction to the article was 'man these Iraqis are messed up people! I’m glad its not like that here.' but then I thought about it and realised people are not necessarily any more civilised in Britain.

Let He Who Is Without Sin... etc..

 

well said.

 

yep,
but the silly thing is they kind of have an excuse (new laws etc) we don't.

I once tried stopping this bloke from beating the hell out of his girlfriend, all I did was pull him off of her, the police were there and they had a go at me ?? not him.

afterwards they let him go off with her because she said it was ok
(through fear no doubt)

anyway my point is maybe the surrounding people were scared themselves. from getting arrested or shot or getting beaten too.
these police they mention could well have been 2 blokes by themselves.

I don't think I could stop an angry mob with rocks.
which I have if I am not mistaken seen in the news before in this country. (insert any number of riots here).

 

I think threads like this shouldn't really be discussed on a hifi forum, there is not enough fact evidence or expertise in the subject to warrant it. ( I am a hypocrite I know)
anyway to be honest it is never going to go anywhere good or interesting, this will go on for days then get forgotten about or closed.

can we have a row about cables now please?

 

oh, don't!!

 

Don't they have a 'Let he who is without sin...' equivalent.

 

Yep, the religous folks hate Mr Dawkins because he seems to have an answer against every aspect of religion.

The american religous fundamentalists are as bad as the middle east version. (not sure about the stoning though).

Religion? Pah! Load of bolox.

 

yes - well, in this day and age it seems to be...or at least it seems to have been replaced by something else - media, music etc?

but I believe it did have a purpose inn years gone by...

 

Control. But its not needed now since media can do a better job of that.

 

Absolutely.

But things will never change until the permissive 'anything goes' attitude of the political centre and left is challenged.
Firm action is required IMHO. Those with strong belief in religions with an anti democratic and/or violent mantra should be barred form any position of influence, that means no school governors, local councilors, MPs, youth leaders etc. Isolate them and hinder the spreading of the poison.
Draconian but necessary IMO if we are to stop the rot.

 

I agree. There should IMHO be a firm boundary preventing any religion having political influence in a democratic state. This division exists as legislation in the USA but the Christian fundamentalists of the Republican party are slipping in under it and distorting things. We have no such division between church and state in the UK – we are I believe still technically a “Christian” country (though thankfully our church seems far less dangerous, intolerant and extreme). The main problem we face is from the Labour government with their support of “Faith Schools” which clearly open the door to the religious indoctrination and brainwashing of children as seen in much of the US and many middle eastern Islamic states. I'd personally like to see religion entirely purged from schools.

Tony.

 

Again I agree entirely. The Faith Schools issue was the primary reason for me quiting Labour after 20+ years of active membership. Back door privatisation of the health service came a close second but that's another argument.