the arabs were right all along!!

Unfortunately, a lot of the damage they cause is irreparable and no amount docking of salaries or other punishment will seem enough.

 

I agree with your points Tony.

What I find amazing is the number of people who still believe that we are better off without Europe. Such shortsightedness

 

dev,
this is true, but at least you wouldn't get profiteering tossers or one policy twunts like kilroy sick even running as they'd know that they were up for the chop at the end of their stint.
cheers


julian

 

Re: Robbo

yeah right. Tell that to the Brasillians.. The worlds 8th largest economy but it has to give 40% of its GDP to the IMF in debt repayment. Imagine what it could do for itself if that wasn't the case.

America has only one interest at heart.. and that is it's own. The true reality of the world economy is that America is keeping the whole world deprived of the right to choose how to manage their own economy. At least half the world ows America huge debts via the IMF and it is reaping the interest with glee. Americas economy is one of the worst balanced in the world it RELIES on the RAPE of the other economies around the word to survive.
With out Billions of dollars worth of revenue comming from the unfair trading rights/US global corporates the American economy would collapse. Its the Americans that should be thanking them, not the other way around.

GTM


oh and btw.. the FACTs are that the we do less than 12% of our total trade with the US, where the EU (the original 12 states), make up over 50%, adding in the other non EU states brings that up to over 60%. If we were to stop trading with the US completely we would suffer , but we'd survive. If we were to stop trading with Europe, we would all literally starve !!

 

The one ironic thing about the Statue of Liberty and the Iraq war US anti french thing.. is that the SoL is French. It was given to them by the French, so maybe they should give it back. I find it quite amusing that the one of the symbols of the US is a European product. Also, lest they forget (or us even), it was very likely that the US would still be a UK colony if it weren't for the fact that the French fought against us on the side of the burgeoning American state. So there would be NO USA if it weren't for the FRENCH !

Maybe in light of that they were right to rename French Fries, Freedom Fries. !!

GTM

 

And it was the French who helped set up US Constitution after the Civil War.

What is apparent is the US hypocrisy in foreign relations. They use their media power to demonise anyone who does not agree with them.

All this talk about the “special relationship†with Britain is likely to be short-lived. Possibly after Blair is out of the government and if the new govt support the majority views of the people of Britain?!

 

There is nothing to fear from a European constitution except our own ill informed opinions we get from a biased UK media who basically lie about Europe,not even little fibs,just outright lies."straight bananas" ffs,it never happened and never was gonna happen.

The expense system and uneccessary flights to Strasborg are just red herrings,annoying,but only that, they can and will be sorted.

 

i think to anyone with half a brain that does a little research and doesn't rely on the scaremongering of the media joining the eu is at worst the lesser of 2 evils and at best a good idea. like everything else it's a change and therefore there will be a big resistance due to social inertia. certain media mavens like kilroy sick prey on this and so you get ukip. humans eh?
cheers


julian

 

I voted for Blair twice and feel badly let down. But what he said today is plain common sense and absolutely right.

"Withdrawing from the EU, as advocated by UKIP, would be an act of extraordinary foolishness'.
"What we will not do is to marginalise Britain in Europe simply for the sake of it."

 

well unfortunately that discounts half the electorate

 

OUCH, accurate but OUCH

 

I am seriously unimpressed with the media.

they criticise the population for being uninformed about europe and the consitution and all that, but that is THEIR role to inform us.
And they are failing abysmally.
If you examine the critical comment in the news, its like an Attenborough wildlife prog. there is very little of any substance.
Its just all dressed up chat, gossip designed to pander to the 90s man, trendy.
Its seriously short on substance.

Blair like anyone is a curious mix of some good, some mediocre, and some bad.

I like what he has done in the past, a lot of it needed, bank of E's independance, I thought saddam had to go, plenty more.

However, I am suffering from Blair fatigue, sucking bush's cock on everything, spin, his band of idiots like hoon who has no honour, blunkett who wants to wreck 1000 years of legal history, straw who is a pilloch, they are as wet as the tories.

with all the Iraq stuff, tho., we are in danger of being attacked and villifed like america, in the world. Its amazing we have gotten away for this long.

America is staunchly self interested, and would not follow us if we wanted help, yet tries to get us on board when it does. And we follow.

In europe, our identity is being eroded, we will be driving in km per hour, on the rhs, I don't mind tax harmonisation at all, I just want our national traditions, and no more desk pushers. This though is at risk.
Out of it we will fade away into nothing. China is on the up, 5-10 yrs, watch out.

 

maybe,but you need a balance,the papers have to make money.

If all someone gets is a dose of Murdoch,its hardly balanced.

TV News is far more balanced than the papers.

The Electorate will always be sceptical until someone tells them WHY we need a European Union.At the momnet its Spanish fisherman fishing illegally,food mountains,huge expense accounts and the working time directive that is full of opt outs.

There isnt a why,its a why not at the moment,which isnt good enough

 

Big mistake giving Sadam the mic! He very skillfully used the opportunity as a political platform.

Before, during and after the Iraq invasion, US made sure that voice and opinions of the 'other side' are not heard by the 'free world'.

Al Jazeera who tried to do otherwise paid the price with the lives of their reporters.

If Bush and Blair are not careful to keep us in the dark, they are certain to lose elections.