Missunderstood there, let me try again.... I have no issue with people getting benefits whatsoever, they should be in place to help people when they come unstuck, I have claimed myself in the past and although I hope not to again - you never know. What deos pi55 me off is people being paid to be baby machines, they have never paid into the system and dont intend to. These parasites are getting better service than pensioners who deserve more IMO having worked hard all their lives many even fighting for our freedom. On average the 100k+ bank book is probably once a week - really! They are probably not insurance payouts either. So thats my stance, not genuine people but people abusing a system taking food from the deserving mouth. I know of one woman (fact) has never done a days work in her life, has 8 children and two council houses knocked into 1 and a comfortable life - she is 22 :eek: Isaac, I drive a boxster but dont do many miles.