the great pay back time

This whole trade a car in for £2000 nonsense really makes my blood boil. Once again the pillocks in charge have completely missed the point.

I have an 8 year old Nissan 2.0 16v primera, and at the moment im averaging 41.4mpg over the last tank of fairly mixed driving. It runs well, doesnt cause me any bother. It stands to reason a 10 year old example of the same car would do much the same.

So what they are proposing, is that i turn in my nice 40mpg car, cause more waste and energy loss in scrapping a perfectly good car, and replace it with a modern car that will give me about 40mpg?

if they did their sums they would realise that the creation of one single new car, causes more harm to the environment than if i drove my car for another 50 years.

What they should be doing is the exact bloody opposite of what they are doing. they should be actively encouraging people TO drive old cars, with incentives and cost benefits for those willing to run, and look after older cars. Get car manufacturers to stop making so many bloody new cars, that just sit in huge giant aircraft hangers in luton, because no one is buying them.

Once again, they get it completely arse about face, and the tax payer will pick up the bill for it.

Don't even get me started on the budget, and the need to add yet more duty to the cost of petrol, its nothing but sheer unadultarated greed, and it punished those of us (like me) who simply cannot exist without a car. I don't live anywhere near any public transport, and in order to get to work each day i rely on my car, which every year that goes past, costs me more and more to do so.

perhaps if they need to raise a few extra quid, they can stop dipping their hands into the pockets of public money to pay for pornography, second homes, new kitchens and paying their sons neighbours dogs to lick envelopes for them.

Tossers!!

Heres a few radical ideas (and im about to make some enemies here i suspect)

1) charge obese people more national insurance, to put towards health costs, as obesity is an enormous drain on the NHS... if your considered obese, lose weight or pay up.

2) make cigarettes so obscenely expensive that people either have to give up, or if they can afford to pay for them, it will cover the additional health costs that once again, smokers put onto the NHS.

3) making booze more expensive is at least one half intelligent idea they have. Its a leisure product, by no means necessary, and if people want to get drunk, make it cost them the earth.

just a few ideas that wont win me any popularity contest amonst the overweight, bar frequenting smokers amongst us. But it would certainly free up a few billion pounds a year thats spent on healthcare for all of the above groups. but knowing out government, they will just use it to bail out some other company that should frankly have been able to save itself.
 
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Shrink by putting the taxes on booze and fags too high you just create a problem with the black market. I am very anti smoking but I don't agree with putting too high taxes on it because people will just import more ilegal fags and that makes things worse.

As for booze we already pay about 200% tax on it or something stupid it is a leasure product but any government that makes it very pricey will loose a lot of votes.

The rest of it I agree with. Not so sure again about obsesity as this is also genetic it is not just about food.
 
. Not so sure again about obsesity as this is also genetic it is not just about food.

Yes, but 95% of the issue in this country IS about food ....and nothing to do with genetics.

Around here, I just have to walk to my post office 200 yards away to see the efects. I'm carrying about a stone I'd like to shed, but there is no necessity for the bouncy ball shaped specimens that walk into my local post office.

Agreed on the car bits above but not really booze. You don't have to be an alcoholic to appreciate a pint now and then.

Then again I'm happy to see fags hammered. A colleague at work is having chemo this year. I don't want to sound unsympathetuic but her 20/day habit .........??





(btw at the last xmas party I did notice that I came home WITHOUT clothers smelling of s**t)
 
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You appear to have an incredibly selective view of history if you think that the Tories would not have led the country into exactly the same position. Worse in fact, as we'd have the current degree of economic shit plus higher unemployment and worse public services.

You get what you ask for.

If people want popular capitalism they get the good, the bad and the ugly. Some of us remember the rioting on the street as a result of Tory monetarism, destroyed communities, interest rayes at 18% with record repossessions.... the list of destruction and failure is as long as you want it be.

The truth is that most have benefitted financially over the past 12 years due to the longest sustained period of consecutive growth on record. Top economists loved Blair/Brown because they delivered exactly what they wanted.

And now it is all crashing down and the party is over for this cycle - exactly as it should and it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise. But please don't delude yourself that any other bunch of politicians, playing the same game by the same rules would do any better.


Unbelievable you have blinkers about the Labour party too IMO. The only people with smug we know better attitudes on their faces was the bloody Labour front bench. They have been in charge (thats a laugh). This happened on their watch not the Conservatives watch. They should have kept their eyes on it instead they wanted to be the NEW CONSERVATIVE PARTY. They left it to bloody statistics and the market will look after itself...what a joke.

This is the thing I hate about this current government no accountability, quite happy to point to others past failings but not accept their own current failings which are massive. A bunch of liars, murders, and thieves IMO

Sadly I can do nothing about this situation, but if I lived on the mainland I would actively campaign against this Labour dictatorship.

People of the UK mainland stop being bloody sheep, get of your fat lazy backsides and vote against this crowd of grade A wasters. You are sleep walking into a total nightmare. Wake up !

The current Joke hasn't been a left focussed party since the king of lies and spin took over....boy you all were sucked in by this con man Blair.

The Conservatives are not perfect but they are better at the economic stuff and are business focussed....all we have with Blair and Brown is a realization of Orwell's 1984 just its a few years later.....

Anything in the budget for the old, infirm, jobless, no. Pensioners are dying, there are those trying to live on £80 a week. The dole (£60 a week...for 6 months only after that nothing) office is no help they care not a jot the jobless through no fault of there own (just statistics) are in the shit up to their necks. What was there for the middle aged jobless NOTHING. Brown is fiddling while the UK burns. He thinks hes a top bloke....what a bloody gold platted Joke.

I despair. Great Britain....poor, broke in debt for billions the slaves of Europe....we are all domed unless you all wake up at all our expense.


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But please don't delude yourself that any other bunch of politicians, playing the same game by the same rules would do any better.

Not entirely true.

Whilst any party at the helm during the current crisis would be suffering the same problems, I do not believe that they would have taken the "Carol Vorderman" option and put the UK in hock for 23 years.


But most politicians today are all the same, and dangerous for the country. Most MPs (all parties) are career politicians, in Parliament because they like all the fun and games of the "Westminster Village", rather than actually being there through a desire to do better for their country and their constituency. It's that sort of attitude that generates a sense of superiority, removes ideals and dogma and gives us the sense of one amorphous entity in charge and not 2 sides fighting for what's right.

What also does not help is that the current govt focus on getting in power and staying in power often to the exclusion of doing the right thing.





ââ'¬Å"...It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

ââ'¬Å"Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

ââ'¬Å"Ye sordid prostitutes, have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd; your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse the Augean Stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings, and which by God's help and the strength He has given me, I now come to do.

ââ'¬Å"I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do. In the name of God, go!ââ'¬Â
 
Not entirely true.

Whilst any party at the helm during the current crisis would be suffering the same problems, I do not believe that they would have taken the "Carol Vorderman" option and put the UK in hock for 23 years.

That might be the case - we could be in marginally less debt though a huge proportion of it results from propping-up the banking system, and none of the main parties would have let the financial system sink.
 
no-so daft-

Nando - daft post - really.

AT - I agree. 2 of my cars are over 10 years old and it would be criminal to scrap them. There is nothing environmentally good about this scheme and I object to my (and every other tax payer) paying towards those people who want to buy brand new cars. The only really benefactor is the car companies and I don't see the sense in spending £300m towards that and then making cuts in education/health services to compensate.

I don't put the blame on the government in entirity though, to do that would be rather short sighted and narrow in view. Plenty of people were out spending too much and releasing equity in their homes to fund lifestyles they were not earning - we are not children and so it would be wrong to just lay the blame at those 'in charge' if we have had a party and broken our toys.

AFTER ALL IT HAS ALERTED YOU ALL, , nice to talk, meerkat.com.
 
Nope - stand by my "daft post" comment. Still stands IMO.

Plus you have added another ...... I doubt any of the intelligent contributors (from both sides of the fence) required 'alerting'.

Go on, make it a hat trick? ;)
 

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