the great pay back time

I will admit my engine produces 156 g/km of C02 as its an older Euro II standard engine, but how much CO2 is used in the production of a new car?

A neighbour helping me change my rear springs last week and commented it will be a few years before I need to have any welding done for the MOT and reckons the bodywork will easily last another ten years (the engine won't!!) it just seems a scandal to even think about having it scrapped at the moment.

My old car was another matter and should have been put in a scrap yard before I bought it.

I am actually doing very well in the credit crunch for two reasons:

1) People cannot afford new computers atm so are having them fixed
2) Computers are now more expensive than they were a year ago so it means once again doing work like replacing a motherboard is worth while.
 
RobHolt said:
Difficult to see what else they could do really.

The economic system we use has certain rules and contradictions that you cannot bypass. Sure, you can play around a little with regulation and monitoring but the very nature of capitalism means that we unfairly take from some and give to others.

I think it stinks personally and as a life long lefty, part of me is happy to see the whole bloody thing teeter on the brink. The reality however, is that we don't have a coherent, organised, unified force on the left to provide an alternative and so we are stuck with the same old crap.

Will I support the current lot again come election day?
Yes because the alternatives are even worse.
If anyone watched the budget speech yesterday, or Prime Miniser's Qs it was enlightening to watch the faces of the Tory front bench. Cameron and Osborne in particular, but watch how they sit sneering with the smug f'king look of superiority on their faces. Horrid people, and that's your alternative to Brown/Darling.

Some alternative.

When listening to the Tory line on the current situation, remember that this is the party of free enterprise, of small government, of individual responsibility, of free markets.
Does anyone honesty think they would have imposed restrictions on the actions of the city and bankers had they been in government?
Not a chance, as history has proven time and time again.
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Unbelievable you have blinkers about the Labour party too IMO. The only people with smug we know better attitudes on their faces was the bloody Labour front bench. They have been in charge (thats a laugh). This happened on their watch not the Conservatives watch. They should have kept their eyes on it instead they wanted to be the NEW CONSERVATIVE PARTY. They left it to bloody statistics and the market will look after itself...what a joke.

This is the thing I hate about this current government no accountability, quite happy to point to others past failings but not accept their own current failings which are massive.

Sadly I can do nothing about this situation, but if I lived on the mainland I would actively campaign against this Labour dictatorship.

People of the UK mainland stop being bloody sheep, get of your fat lazy backsides and vote against this crowd of grade A wasters. You are sleep walking into a total nightmare. Wake up !

The current Joke hasn't been a left focussed party since the king of lies and spin took over....boy you all were sucked in by this con man Blair.

The Conservatives are not perfect but they are better at the economic stuff and are business focussed....all we have with Blair and Brown is a realization of Orwell's 1984 just its a few years later.....

Anything in the budget for the old, infirm, jobless, no. Pensioners are dying, there are those trying to live on £80 a week. The dole (£60 a week...for 6 months only after that nothing) office is no help they care not a jot the jobless through no fault of there own (just statistics) are in the shit up to their necks. What was there for the middle aged jobless NOTHING. Brown is fiddling while the UK burns. He thinks hes a top bloke....what a bloody gold platted Joke.

I despair. Great Britain....poor, broke in debt for billions the slaves of Europe....we are all doomed unless you all wake up at all our expense.


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Labour isn't working

as one ad agency once coined the phrase.

Obsessed with surveillance and general nosey parkering this lot
- and in terms of being self-satisfied I give you none other than Mr T.Blair, who wisey exit staged left and handed the mess/mantle to Gordon, this country these days does smack of an Orwellian prophecy. We're going to hell in a handcart, I'd welcome a change personally - anything!

Why not put this silly £2k for a car into education or apprenticehip schemes, or start up grants or am I being too naïve.
 
SMEagol said:
Labour isn't working

as one ad agency once coined the phrase.

Obsessed with surveillance and general nosey parkering this lot
- and in terms of being self-satisfied I give you none other than Mr T.Blair, who wisey exit staged left and handed the mess/mantle to Gordon, this country these days does smack of an Orwellian prophecy. We're going to hell in a handcart, I'd welcome a change personally - anything!
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Agreed.

Hi Chris keeping well ?


Regards D L
 
SMEagol said:
Labour isn't working

as one ad agency once coined the phrase.

Obsessed with surveillance and general nosey parkering this lot
- and in terms of being self-satisfied I give you none other than Mr T.Blair, who wisey exit staged left and handed the mess/mantle to Gordon, this country these days does smack of an Orwellian prophecy. We're going to hell in a handcart, I'd welcome a change personally - anything!

Why not put this silly £2k for a car into education or apprenticehip schemes, or start up grants or am I being too naïve.
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So many tricks missed:

Use the money from the 2K a banger scheme to provide free insulation and subsidies for gas boilers. Less fuel used, less CO2 emitted. More jobs for plumbers, insulation fitters and boiler / plumbing / insulation manufacture which could all be in the UK.

Reduce duty on fuel or at least on hauliers' diesel. This would cut the price on things for sale in the shops.

Stop trying to put loads of people through university. It devalues the degree and puts a huge strain on finances. Promote (properly) apprenticeships and enable people to be proud of having a trade again.

Full benefits for the first child, 1/2 for the second and none for any more. We need to get the population down.

Scrap ID scheme and most unworkable big IT projects.

No stamp duty threshold on 2nd, 3rd properties etc. In fact tax the property at value of owned properties plus the value of the new property.

Stop giving aid to countries who are only short of money because they invest it in weapons and other useless sh!t.

Call an election.
 
Free pies for everyone over the age of 11. That's what they should've done. Savoury in the North, sweet in the South.
 
lbr said:
Free pies for everyone over the age of 11. That's what they should've done. Savoury in the North, sweet in the South.
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People in the south eat pies? Really? Are you sure? Can you make a pie out of organic Filo pastry? Don't the micro-greens go all soggy?
 
Seeker_UK said:
Sorry but they simply have to be fair trade......:JPS:
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Well I live in the North and most shops here sell fairtrade toys, fair trade hotdogs and we even have fairtrade banks :D Oh and they all want Humus for breakfast.

Yeah there isn't many Northerners left here.
 
Seeker_UK said:
So many tricks missed:

Use the money from the 2K a banger scheme to provide free insulation and subsidies for gas boilers. Less fuel used, less CO2 emitted. More jobs for plumbers, insulation fitters and boiler / plumbing / insulation manufacture which could all be in the UK.
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Yep - good one

Seeker_UK said:
Reduce duty on fuel or at least on hauliers' diesel. This would cut the price on things for sale in the shops.
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Another good one. And allow charities to use hauliers' diesel when they run vans etc - sometimes the cost of the fuel used when they collect donated furniture almost offsets what they can then sell the furniture for!

Seeker_UK said:
Stop trying to put loads of people through university. It devalues the degree and puts a huge strain on finances. Promote (properly) apprenticeships and enable people to be proud of having a trade again.
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Agree again, but make sure that those that do want to go can, without having to start life with a huge debt - and also all that are intelligent enough to be able to do it, should be able and not miss out because they can't afford it.

Seeker_UK said:
Full benefits for the first child, 1/2 for the second and none for any more. We need to get the population down.
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No - scrap it altogether, why pay people to have children? Benefits should be for those that need it and this gets paid to everyone. I would raise personal allowances and allow couples to elect to pass on their allowance, so if one decides to stay at home to look after children for example - the other would get their allowance which would mean a effective benefit of £2,500 for someone on 25% tax rate (assuming blanket £10k each personal allowance which is where I would have it).

Seeker_UK said:
Scrap ID scheme and most unworkable big IT projects.
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I cannot comment on this as it is something I know nothing about.

Seeker_UK said:
No stamp duty threshold on 2nd, 3rd properties etc. In fact tax the property at value of owned properties plus the value of the new property.
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Actually, stamp duty is IMO a bad tax. It can prevent people moving closer to their work yet the 'green' view would be to encourage people to move closer to work if they change jobs. I would scrap it altogether if possible.

Seeker_UK said:
Stop giving aid to countries who are only short of money because they invest it in weapons and other useless sh!t.
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Tough one - corruption means much of the money goes to the wrong things, but these countries still have many innocents suffering. The level of suffering far outweighs our little difficulties of a fiscal nature. Bit like bath water and babies......

Seeker_UK said:
Call an election.
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Sadly, I fear next lot will be no better, perhaps worse as they go about undoing stuff rather than repairing stuff..... the only party that seems to be giving some real thought to good policies rather than just cat calling opponents, is the one that many people want but don't vote for as they feel other people won't.
 
amazingtrade said:
A neighbour helping me change my rear springs last week and commented it will be a few years before I need to have any welding done for the MOT and reckons the bodywork will easily last another ten years (the engine won't!!) it just seems a scandal to even think about having it scrapped at the moment.

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Like at, I struggle to see the logic of binning a car thats in pretty sound condition....just doesn't add up to me.

What you might gain in emissions.....you've lost in the processes of making a new car?
 
DavidF said:
Like at, I struggle to see the logic of binning a car thats in pretty sound condition....just doesn't add up to me.

What you might gain in emmissions.....you've lost in the processes of making a new car?
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And it costs a lot in energy, precious resources that can't be replaced etc. Poorly thought out knee jerk actions of a Government that has had it.....


D L
 
The problem is we all know these bunch of wallies will get in because there is nobody else to vote for. My lib dem counciler cannot even organise a tax disc on a car yet alone a government.
 
amazingtrade said:
The problem is we all know these bunch of wallies will get in because there is nobody else to vote for. My lib dem counciler cannot even organise a tax disc on a car yet alone a government.
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Why not stand yourself. Unlike the US you don't need millions to get into politics. Just your campaign costs and electoral deposit....modest compared to those in America.

To many sit and complain and do nothing stand up and be counted make/form an alternative....why Not ?


DL
 
I have often thought about it, but it really isn't that easy. I tried a bit of politics at university and president at the union at the time suggested I stand for election as my big passion was making sure those that lived at home still got good university experience not just lectures.

I have become a lot more lazy since then though and really don't have many passions left.

All the councilers seem to is get their pictures in the paper for doing nothing I don't want to be part of that. My MP only got in because he worked very hard and he sort of conned people although I do have some respect for him, a lid dem MP winning the seat in a labour area takes some doing.
 

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