What the f@#k is wrong with people???

Hope for peace, be prepared for war has always been my philosophy.

 

I wonder if Bottleneck's interviewee thought that a fight was acceptable behaviour but the use of a Stanley knife wasn't. Stanley Knives were used 40 years ago when I was a teenager in inner city Manchester. What's new?

I've never had a fight in my life, always walking or running away.

 

If you wish to see how the sort of problem was once tackled then have a look at how Lord Carmont set about removing the culture of knife and razor gangs rife in Glasgow during the 50s & 60s; he did this by handing down exemplary sentences to all convicted of knife or razor crimes in his court, it might not be a fasahionable idea but it worked then and it might now. It may go some way towards reestablishing the link between actions and consequences ifor the BB toting gunman and happy slapper who both unleash violence upon others.

'Carmont' knife sentencing call
Hansard 17 May 2005 : Column 72

 

And there it is, Kids grow up knowing that there is "nothing you can do to me" my five year old actually said that to me the other day and he is largely right short of locking him in an empty room what do you do, anything corporal is viewed as a crime anything non corporal is viewed as mental toture.

I certainly put him straight though - I locked all his toys in the conservatory took me almost two hours to find them all! So at least there's one lad who knows for a fact that actions have consequencies

 

Coming between a 5 year old and toys!!!

Just be careful he doesn't get hold of a bb and smoke yo ass!

 

As far as I'm aware knife crime is well and truly alive and well in Glasgow. It's the murder capital of Europe and the murders tend to involve a blade.

 

Quite right Greg and that might show that the lessons learnt during the 50s and 60s have been forgotten and thay might be why some are asking for measures more akin to used by Lord Carmont be introduced in an attempt to control today's crimes. Will the doubling of senences from two to four years do the trick? I don't know but twenty years meaning twenty years might be a bit too much for today's press and voters.

When twenty years ment twenty years - let the voters decide.

 

I absolutely believe that five years standard tariff for a third offence of being caught in possession with a blade would have an effect. Perhaps a 5 year std tariff for a first offence of actually using a knife.

A "friend" of mine, sadly, used his knife on several occasions but always stabbed people in the leg on the basis he thought it wouldn't do too much damage (refer to the Damilola Taylor case for the actual risk). He gained a bit of a rep.

One day he got into a fight with an Indian lad who was pretty handy. During the fight he stabbed him in the head. The poor guy died at the scene. Paul deparately tried to pull the knife out of his head. He couldn't. He was sent down for an indefinate term, he was 17 at the time (I was 14).

He genuinely didn't consider the consequences of his actions. I don't think a standard 5 year tariff would have had any effect on his choices to be honest.

 

I do hope he's still inside.

 

I honestly don't know. The sad thing is the reality of carrying and especially using a knife just doesn't seem to be a factor for many who carry one.

Taking a knife out to specifically go and "see" someone is one thing, but to generally carry one is a bit different. The reason being putting one in your pocket is a relatively neutral act. For many it's a sensible choice given the circumstances. However if something occurs suddenly there's an alernative from running away. That's where the reality of putting in the pocket actually arrives, pulling it out because the other person is going to back down. Only they don't and suddenly the foolish act is performed. The stage that legislation needs to affect is when the knife goes in the pocket. That's difficult IMO.

 

Define "carrying a knife"? For example, does my leatherman tool in a pocket or pouch on belt count? If so then by the above I should be in prison for carrying a blade more than three times?

And unclepuncle... I do so sincerely hope that you've never, ever broken the speed limit and that every single piece of software on your computer is legit and that you don't have a single downloaded bit of copyright material that you've not paid for. And of course that you've reported everyone you know that hasn't conformed to these things (otherwise that would make you an accessory, would it not?).

 

Its difficult because the people who would use the knife for anything other than self defence when provoked do not think about a prison sentence.

The only way to stop people carrying knifes is to stop them needing one. To do that you give a genuine life sentence to anyone who uses one on somebody or even threatens to.

I often walk around with as many as three weapons on me (not only intended as weapons though, they are useful for lots of things), I have been in too many situations where I could have needed one to stop me being hospitalised. Luckily I have not needed to use any yet. My favourite is a fork, much safer than a knife but still easy to disable an attacker by stocking it in a leg or an eye

Who here carries something for self defence?

 

Am I missing something here? Where do you people live? I work in Oldham, that centre of civic harmony and yet feel no compulsion to carry anything for "self defence". I don't carry my leatherman regularly anymore and when I did it was because it was damn useful, not to use on other people in any way (because it's more likely it would end up stuck in me).

 

Maybe it is not where I live but my age. In the last year I have not had as much trouble, but between when I was about 16 and 19 there were many times I was confronted by large groups of testosterone crazed 'youths'. If you are different from other people you get beaten up, simple.

 

Spot-on Isaac.

Tenson, I do hope you're on a wind-up but I fear you are not. Go learn a martial art if you really feel like that; far more potential for coming out on top, without getting stuck yourself; and the discipline that goes with such training probably means you're less likely to get into such a negative situation. Carrying 'accessories' is a really bad idea.

 

I don't carry any weapons, but when I used to work nights and walked/cycled home, I'd make a point of picking up the umberella with the sharp point to put in my bag.

 

I do know a martial-art. If someone is going to bash me around the head with baseball bat, I will happily stick a fork in their balls to stop them doing it a bit more.

By the way, one of the worst things I know about is that where my friend lives he was walking home from the bus stop at about midnight and saw three chavs hanging someone from a tree by the neck. They kept lifting him up and putting him down just teasing the person.

Something is seriously fucked in peoples heads. I think (and I'm being serious) Jamie’s school dinners will help.

I'm guessing people won't be coming anywhere near me at the show this weekend then?

 

A fork?

Personally i see carrying a weapon as a bad thing. You are lowering yourself to there level.

Same thing as learning a martial art that encourages hurting the other person. There is almost always a way out without permanently hurting the person.

 

Yes a fork. A fork is not likely to accidentally slit a main artery, but it will stop them wanting to kick you if you stab it in their leg. It is also made of silver so if it was a vampire or wear-wolf you are sorted.

I don’t give a crap if I permanently injure someone who is so mentally retarded they purposely injure me for doing nothing to them.

For example the guy that decided to shoot Mo's girlfriend - If he did it to me and I was given the chance I would not think twice about breaking his trigger finger. So what if I inure him, in fact I would probably be doing him a favour, he might learn not to be like that.

Dom, you are right that there is nearly always a way out, that’s why I have not had to use any of the things I carry. I have however, been in situations where I could have needed to and I have friends who have needed to.

It is not lowering yourself to their level because I would NEVER use it unless I absolutely needed to. The kind of people I am thinking of would think it was funny to wave a knife in your face, steal your money and then kick you to the ground.

 

They wave a knife in my face and i would get them on the floor and remove the knife while there arm is in a lock. Causing no harm to the person though.
I could hold them there for ages if needs be until the police arrive (which would probably take ages).

Look up Aikido Tenson.