Chorley is dry

[rudolph hucker]

No queues down the bookies for a "white christmas" then, oh where's the fun in that! hehehe :lol:

no my friend 100% white christmas every year here.


nite nite i'm off to bed see you all tomorrow!

 

[michaelab]

The number of illegal immigrants in the UK is, proportionally, tiny. Sending them back home would have no appreciable effect on the population density.

You are an immigrant in Sweden. It doesn't make any difference how much tax you pay or what you bring to the econonmy or even if your wife is Swedish. Unless you get Swedish nationality you are, and always will be, an immigrant over there.

So no lefty liberals in Sweden, or do you have more realistic politicians over there?

Oh the irony! Here's a basic background about Sweden. Some key points:

the Social Democrats have been in government for most of the last 70 years, developed "the Swedish model" - a mixed economy founded on public-private partnership. It traditionally featured centralised wage negotiations and a heavily tax-subsidised social security network.

So, your basic "lefty liberal" government for the past 70 years.

The Swedes still enjoy an advanced welfare system, and their standard of living and life expectancy are almost second to none.

Yep, one of those welfare systems that you so hate lhatkins. Seems to be doing OK in Sweden.

The country is also a common destination for refugees and asylum seekers - over 10% of its population are immigrants.

...and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm at all.

Swedes voted in a referendum in 1980 to phase out nuclear nuclear power. It was nearly two decades before the first reactor was shut down in 1999. Another followed in 2005. A further 10 remain to be decommissioned.

So much for RH trumpeting Sweden's reliance on nuclear power

In short, Sweden (and Norway, consistenly ranked as having one of the best standards of living in the world) are a model for what a properly run "lefty-liberal" government can do. High taxes, decent welfare and social security system, a very happy and contented population

Michael.

 

[michaelab]

and immigrants are ok in small amounts, but it's a ----ing epidemic in the uk. go on any building site now and you will find mostly bosnians and poles.
you are a small island and the country and economy can't take whats happening there

You're just spouting xenophobic propaganda which has no basis in fact whatsoever. The state of the economy has nothing at all to do with a few Bosnians and Poles working on building sites.

BTW, in case you don't remember Poland is now part of the EU so Poles have just as much right to work on UK building sites as any UK person does (for the same reason as you have a right to work in Sweden just as much as any Swedish person). It's impossible for a Pole to be an illegal immigrant in the UK.

Michael.

 

[Dev]

Now now Michael, we can't let facts get in the way of Xenophobia.

Perhaps it's time to ask RH to read the AUP again.

 

[rudolph hucker]

yes they want to phase out nuclear power, but thet will NEVER happen untill they find a clean substitute.
and yes we have immigrants like you ,but sweden is so big and underpopulated we can accomadate them without a problem. you have more people in london than the whole of sweden.
and in my oppinion this country is wonderful, clean, very little crime, kids are safe to walk the streets, car crime is almost non existent, no skin heads, and yes tax is high but we get something in return for it, good pensions, help when you need it from the government, but we have no ni contributions here so we are about the same as you there, and no bloody council tax we pay 4 quid a week for our rubbish dissposal thats it! and EVERYONE recycles all they can.they have doon for decades. we don't just throw it all in a big hole you know.

 

[lhatkins]

The number of illegal immigrants in the UK is, proportionally, tiny. Sending them back home would have no appreciable effect on the population density.

You are an immigrant in Sweden. It doesn't make any difference how much tax you pay or what you bring to the econonmy or even if your wife is Swedish. Unless you get Swedish nationality you are, and always will be, an immigrant over there.

Oh the irony! Here's a basic background about Sweden. Some key points:

So, your basic "lefty liberal" government for the past 70 years.

Yep, one of those welfare systems that you so hate lhatkins. Seems to be doing OK in Sweden.

...and it doesn't seem to have done them any harm at all.

So much for RH trumpeting Sweden's reliance on nuclear power

In short, Sweden (and Norway, consistenly ranked as having one of the best standards of living in the world) are a model for what a properly run "lefty-liberal" government can do. High taxes, decent welfare and social security system, a very happy and contented population

Michael.

Well my reply to rudolph was a question not a statement as denoted by the ? mark.

But just to prove I can read, its not all such a great wellfare system, I'd be p1ssed at paying for freeloaders too.

The government has faced criticism for failing to reduce unemployment. The public has also expressed disquiet over indications that further tax rises are in the pipeline to cover the mounting costs of the welfare state.

What was that about low crime?

The vote went ahead despite the shocking death just days before of Foreign Minister Anna Lindh who had spearheaded the government's pro-euro campaign. She was stabbed as she shopped in Stockholm without bodyguards. A man was subsequently convicted of her murder and sentenced to life imprisonment.

 

[rudolph hucker]

You're just spouting xenophobic propaganda which has no basis in fact whatsoever. The state of the economy has nothing at all to do with a few Bosnians and Poles working on building sites.

BTW, in case you don't remember Poland is now part of the EU so Poles have just as much right to work on UK building sites as any UK person does (for the same reason as you have a right to work in Sweden just as much as any Swedish person). It's impossible for a Pole to be an illegal immigrant in the UK.

Michael.

point taken but they all seem to want to come to england. why? i'll tell you why so that they can get a nice flat and ponse money that's why ,you have no room for them there. i have seen it coming, and the point about building sites is my first hand experience with what i see.

 

[rudolph hucker]

1 in 100 is an illegal immigrant in the uk.
how did the government allow that?
you all pay them billions in taxes now you should demand some answers.

 

[rudolph hucker]

Well my reply to rudolph was a question not a statement as denoted by the ? mark.

But just to prove I can read, its not all such a great wellfare system, I'd be p1ssed at paying for freeloaders too.

the wellfare state meaning mainly pensioners. they get a well deserved good pension here about £200 a week each

 

[rudolph hucker]

any way nite nite everyone ,i'm off to bed. hope you sort out the petrol problems there

 

[amazingtrade]

All the petrol stations in Chorlton, Manchester seem to be dry now My dad said even at 6:00am they were queing.

 

[Robbo]

High taxes, decent welfare and social security system, a very happy and contented population

Dont they have some of the highest suicide rates in the world? I dont want to get into a political debate, but I am sure I read that somewhere.

 

[penance]

Robbo,

That's what extreme happiness does for you!

 

[Robbo]

Well I think I'd top myself if I had to put up with Tony and Gordon for 70 years of my life!

 

[Dev]

Perhaps they lose the will to live after listening to rude ol so & so .

 

[technobear]

No, they lose the will to live when everything they might choose to do comes with a rule book courtesy of the government (oh and 50% tax). Your reasons for being an independent human being vanish. That is the ultimate poison of socialism. You don't need to make any choices because the government has made them all for you. There is no incentive to better yourself because you are just working hard to keep those who are not.

 

[Robbo]

Chris, I think its called Utopia!

 

[garyi]

I think its terribly shortsighted for some on here to 'laugh' at those trying to get petrol just because they cycle.

If this was the state of things and oil had run dry then we are all right royally ****ed, the economy of earth is based on oil, crops are grown in oil, plastic is made from oil, the crude off oil production is used, every god damn thing we enjoy today, from the clothes on our backs to the shoes on our feet is made from oil.

If we want to play the blame game then we are all guilty.

BTW most bike tyres are made from oil now, not rubber. So is your seat, and grips, and gear leavers, and pedals, and paint etc etc etc.

Let he who is without guilt throw the first stone.

 

[MO!]

I walked home yesterday and all three garages I passed had traffic coming out of them and stretching upto 100 meters!!! Hardly MOving, and engines running.

Today, my route only took me past one of them, which had "Sorry, no fuel" signs hanging up. I'd imagine the others are the same.

Oh, and while people are praising Sweden, don't forget to mention the genius of Henrik Larsson :respect:

 

[technobear]

I think its terribly shortsighted for some on here to 'laugh' at those trying to get petrol just because they cycle.

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All of which has what to do with air that we can't breathe and gridlocked city streets?

The sooner we dispense with cars the better. Right now our infrastructure doesn't allow for it, but we had better start planning for it soon. I would love to go car free. Have wanted to for years. But it means giving up so much because of the way our country is structured. We need to change and soon. Katrina is a wake-up call. We'd best not ignore it.