Had a go with supports...
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The Devil
IHTFP
With that last comment you have demonstrated that you have missed the point completely!
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Arrogant Cock
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ESL-Meister
Antonio
Taking your merc analogy further;
Bub is saying that a regular stand is fine (normal merc - or in his case, BMW, suspension)
I think he would agree that putting your gear on your speakers would require mana phaseXXX to mitigate the vibrational effect from the speakers (merc off road suspension).
What you are saying, by denouncing that stands have any relevance is that a mercedes doesn't need any suspension at all...
reg
Taking your merc analogy further;
Bub is saying that a regular stand is fine (normal merc - or in his case, BMW, suspension)
I think he would agree that putting your gear on your speakers would require mana phaseXXX to mitigate the vibrational effect from the speakers (merc off road suspension).
What you are saying, by denouncing that stands have any relevance is that a mercedes doesn't need any suspension at all...
reg
Now, now... :argue:
My point is that testing the Mercedes off-road doesn't mean it needs a better suspension to use on the road, as an analogy to testing the player on the speaker, and realising the sound worsens, doesn't mean it needs better supports on the stand...
To make sense, one needs to test the supports on the stand, as I did, not on the speaker... :MILD:
Also, I am not saying that there aren't better supports, or none that would be better under my gear, just that I don't feel the need, nor have the room or budget to try them now, wasn't I fair enough, having tried some, and reporting that I am, now, a believer, at least under players... :beer:
My point is that testing the Mercedes off-road doesn't mean it needs a better suspension to use on the road, as an analogy to testing the player on the speaker, and realising the sound worsens, doesn't mean it needs better supports on the stand...
To make sense, one needs to test the supports on the stand, as I did, not on the speaker... :MILD:
Also, I am not saying that there aren't better supports, or none that would be better under my gear, just that I don't feel the need, nor have the room or budget to try them now, wasn't I fair enough, having tried some, and reporting that I am, now, a believer, at least under players... :beer:
The Devil
IHTFP
Deep breath,
Lowrider, with this thread you are acknowledging that good supports can improve the sound - yes? My comment about putting the CD player on a speaker was directed at people who don't believe that supports can improve the sound.
Now do you understand? [before one of us dies]
Lowrider, with this thread you are acknowledging that good supports can improve the sound - yes? My comment about putting the CD player on a speaker was directed at people who don't believe that supports can improve the sound.
Now do you understand? [before one of us dies]
I understand almost anything... :argue:
There is no reason for anyone to die, of course I am aknowledging that good supports can improve the sound... :MILD:
And I appretiate that you will do anything to show that to people, with more reason than I thought before , I was just trying to be pratical... :guiness:
And I knew you would be pleased with my post... :buddies:
There is no reason for anyone to die, of course I am aknowledging that good supports can improve the sound... :MILD:
And I appretiate that you will do anything to show that to people, with more reason than I thought before
, I was just trying to be pratical... :guiness:And I knew you would be pleased with my post... :buddies:
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The Devil
IHTFP
Phew! Cheers. Have a good weekend!
My supports are not rigid - they are designed to wobble in the horizontal plane.
In the vertical plane they are rigid, however, and coupling works from each component on each shelf downwards to the floor, decoupled from each other shelf along the way.
Low resonance from each shelf (wooden and non ferrous i.e: non -ringing) and the rods (aluminium and not ringing at critical HF frequencies) between them also seems to help. It works in my system.
The ultimate coupling system is Mana - and it works also - if your system is in dire need of it/you like the (resonant) effect TM. (imho)
I know of at least one system that needs Mana to work effectively. Mine doesn't.
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osama
Perenially Bored
Originally posted by lowrider
Last night I tested a trio of AudioPrism Isobearings under my FMJ DV27, amazing...
The stage increased to right beside me, in stereo of course, before it was about 1 meter outside of the speakers, more AIR, (this is for WM's dictionary
Low, I tried these once under my cdp first, then the amps, but didn't really hear a bigger difference than when I placed GRINA rubber boards from IKEA.
The GRINAs IMO did open up the sound much more than the Isobearings.
Now the Isos are for sale
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osama
Perenially Bored
How about shock absorbers for some really weird tweak?
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The Devil
IHTFP
All systems are in dire need of it!
Mine doesn't. Some systems need Mana to get any semblance of an image and soundstage and/or bass control. 've got an image and stage, and the bass is a good a it gets in a small room with big speakers.
Mana is nice under my speakers where it doesn't interact with active components.
The Devil
IHTFP
Steven, you are using Mana on the one hand, but claiming that your system 'doesn't need it' on the other.
Have you ever tried a Mana rack for your CDP and amplifier in your system in your room?
My system is, I would haver, better than yours and mine needs the Mana.
I know you don't get on with JW, but you are cutting off your system's nose to spite its face.
Have you ever tried a Mana rack for your CDP and amplifier in your system in your room?
My system is, I would haver, better than yours and mine needs the Mana.
I know you don't get on with JW, but you are cutting off your system's nose to spite its face.
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Markus S
Trade
Steven, do you really think that your QSR shelves have no resonance?
What do you mean by better - if you actually mean more expensive then fine - better is all about personal taste.
Donut
Markus S
Trade
No, he said "non-ringing". To me that means no resonance, not low resonance.
If the QSR shelves actually have no resonance, which I find a bit hard to believe, they would really be interesting.
If I remember my physics lessons right, it's nigh on impossible to have a solid-matter object that does not resonate at some frequency. The resonance may be damped, or it may be distributed over a number of different frequencies, but it won't be eliminated.
It's also true that an object's shape will greatly influence its resonance behaviour. A German company named Danholt once had a line of boomerang-shaped turntables for this very reason (they linger on in the Clearaudio range, I believe).
If Steven meant to say that the QSR shelves have a very low resonance profile and used a little hyperbole to underline his point, that's okay.
Has anybody tried cutting a hole into Mana shelves?
