Help me choose a new SACD player - Dynamic Turtle

rudolph hucker said:
just stating a fact thats all you all keep persuing that ultimate sound. and you will never get there with sacd or cd i'm affraid. i would say that sacd is worse than normal cd, to cold sounding
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I think you are just stating an opinion - correct me if Im wrong. I think Vinyl, CD and SACD all have strengths and all have weaknesses. Depends what you are looking for I guess. I like all three.
 
greg said:
I think you are just stating an opinion - correct me if Im wrong. I think Vinyl, CD and SACD all have strengths and all have weaknesses. Depends what you are looking for I guess. I like all three.
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your right they do have there weaknesses just sacd and cd have more. i have tried many cd players over the last 20 years including wadia, linn cd12, and still find the lp playback far far better (but you need a high end deck though) and good cartridge and phono stage, i'm using a trichord diablo, and it is amazingly good
 
I appreciate your opinion and I could well agree with you, but others with exposure to high end TT fronted systems would still consider Red Book their fave.

If I had to settle on one of the three it would be vinyl because I couldnt get the vast majority of my software on another medium. Yet whilst I love handling it, I'm not fond of storing it and transporting it is a pain in the ar5e

In favour of 5" disks - I like the convenience of being able to listen to more than 20 odd minutes of music without having to get up. Of course a media server is even better for both storage and convenience.

I've enjoyed the SACDs I've purchased so far very much, but since buying a SACD player I've bought substantially more CDs than SACDs. This is mostly because I tend to buy used disks and again the styles of music I tend towards are not typically published on SACD.

Just my experiences to date.
 
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greg said:
I appreciate your opinion and I could well agree with you, but others with exposure to high end TT fronted systems would still consider Red Book their fave.

If I had to settle on one of the three it would be vinyl because I couldnt get the vast majority of my software on another medium. Yet whilst I love handling it, I fond storing and transporting it is a pain in the ar5e

In favour of 5" disks - I like the convenience of being able to listen to more than 20 odd minutes of music without having to get up. Of course a media server is even better for both storage and convenience.

I've enjoyed the SACDs I've purchased so far very much, but since buying a SACD player I've bought substantially more CDs than SACDs. This is mostly because I tend to buy used disks and again the styles of music I tend towards are not typically published on SACD.

Just my experiences to date.
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you are dead right for day to day listening cd is by far the best option, but for that serious audiophile listen vinyl wins easily every time. and yes i preffer cd to sacd smoother sounding. i am just giving my honest opinion thats all
 
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I think you've just proved my point for me Rudolph. Good vinyl systems are generally expensive, require a lot of setting up, maintainence and care from the user. Good vinyl itself is also expensive & hard to come by.

Whereas Joe public could just buy the NS900V, turn it on, slap in an SACD and get a very respectable sound (IMO) for a £150 outlay and 2 minutes work.

Yep - I agree CD12's & Wadias - very cold. Freezing, in fact :rolleyes:

DT
 
Dynamic Turtle said:
I think you've just proved my point for me Rudolph. Good vinyl systems are generally expensive, require a lot of setting up, maintainence and care from the user. Good vinyl itself is also expensive & hard to come by.

Whereas Joe public could just buy the NS900V, turn it on, slap in an SACD and get a very respectable sound (IMO) for a £150 outlay and 2 minutes work.

Yep - I agree CD12's & Wadias - very cold. Freezing, in fact :rolleyes:

DT
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you are dead right but most of us who love music will allways want as good as sound as posible, and vinyl is expensive to get right but so is cd my friend and us on this site are not joe public i think you will find
 
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Dynamic Turtle said:
I think you've just proved my point for me Rudolph. Good vinyl systems are generally expensive, require a lot of setting up, maintainence and care from the user. Good vinyl itself is also expensive & hard to come by.
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IME - I wouldnt say a good vinyl system is especially expensive, I'd say typically you have to spend far more on a CD player to match a TT decent for most aspects of it's performance (TT dependent of course). Perhaps the NS900V is an exception.

In some cases TT's arent much trouble to set up at all, in some cases they are tricky to say the least.

I'd also disagree with the notion that "good" vinyl is expensive and hard to come by.

Whereas Joe public could just buy the NS900V, turn it on, slap in an SACD and get a very respectable sound (IMO) for a £150 outlay and 2 minutes work.
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I havent heard the NS900V, but if your expressed opinions prove reflective then it sounds great value and of course of very convenient.
 
wadia-miester said:
Gee, I want an Orbe now :) My sound is so freezingly sonicfireworks and stunt bass. Please forgive me forum :o
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a gyro dec with sme series v and van den hul colibri. as i have ,there is not much apart from a rockport sirus that will make me part with it,
 
I expect it produces some great sounds for you, personally I have a Well tempered Ref, ref arm, Custom Diablo, Choice of 4 carts (Otophon/Keusto Red/Black sigs/Benz).
Still take the SE anyday but thanks for the advice :)
 
rudolph hucker said:
a gyro dec with sme series v and van den hul colibri. as i have ,there is not much apart from a rockport sirus that will make me part with it,
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No offence, but I havent found the Gyrodec to be the last word in TT's. Perhaps this further illustrates your point.

I would add that Tony has had good exposure to some heavyweight TT setups. He still digs his Red Book.
 
greg said:
No offence, but I havent found the Gyrodec to be the last word in TT's. Perhaps this further illustrates your point.

I would add that Tony has had good exposure to some heavyweight TT setups. He still digs his Red Book.
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i am an engineer and have reworked the design my friend
 
wadia-miester said:
I expect it produces some great sounds for you, personally I have a Well tempered Ref, ref arm, Custom Diablo, Choice of 4 carts (Otophon/Keusto Red/Black sigs/Benz).
Still take the SE anyday but thanks for the advice :)
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them cartridges are not so good my friend you should try van den hul nothing comes even near them in any way.
 
greg said:
Must be the last word then, my apologies for doubting you.
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i have moddified the motor support and the supply and changed the bearing to a ruby
and pure silver wiring in the sme, that was the biggest gain by far
 
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rudolph hucker said:
them cartridges are not so good my friend you should try van den hul nothing comes even near them in any way.
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my friend deals in real high end gear supplied me the van den hul he has a rockport sirus, and we tried many cartridges on that deck and found the colibri in another league
 
rudolph hucker said:
my friend deals in real high end gear supplied me the van den hul he has a rockport sirus, and we tried many cartridges on that deck and found the colibri in another league
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so where you said "as i have ,there is not much apart from a rockport sirus that will make me part with it"....?
 

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