Isolation

Hi Paul,
Funnily enough I've just rejected the slate idea due to price. I had been looking to make a TNT flexy using some slate for the shelfs but was looking at £20 for each shelf at least. Shame really as I think it would look great. Maybe one day...
I've gone for some nice wood instead now as I didn't like the look of MDF.
Cheers,
HM

 

The odd thing about stands is that virtually everyone seems to accept that speaker stands can make or break speakers, but people who have either very little, or no experience of Mana under CDPs, TTs and amplifiers are dead certain that it cannot possibly make any difference.

If you don't 'believe' in stands, then I would suggest placing your CDP on top of one of your speakers, and playing a track or two.

Mana is the only stand I have come across which actually works as a vibration sink.

 

Strangely enough, when I did have Mana, I ended up puting the CDP on top of one of the speakers.

 

Naughty, naughty, Alex.

Funny though, very funny.

 

Even stranger, Alex, was your description of the Troika which I'm currently using as 'crap'. It's actually 'not too bad at all'. All it needed was to be set up properly.

 

Its a good match for your deck, certainly.

 

Whenyacominganyway?

 

Not a TNT but............

Perhaps you could just treat yourself to one slate shelf under the CD player, it might be a very good £20 worth.

 

Yes I'd agree. But I didn't say "no" difference. I said minimal.

I wasn't expecting anyone to back me up.

I would have deleted my post (I was a bit on the pissed side of things when I posted it) but it's been quoted from already.

 

Now that'll be because speaker cones create vibration in most cabinets that can interact with the floor.

Last time I checked the Naim web site, I didn't see an X Max quoted for the NAC52.

 

Yes, Merlin, and there is absolutely no vibration whatsoever going on inside a preamplifier. No sir! You can't hear it, so it can't be there. Innit?

Ever wonder why Naim installed a little suspension system for some of the circuit boards inside the new 552, and in some of their CD players?

 

I can't hear it, I can't see it. But I can imagine it.

 

No. I can imagine that to be just the kind of thing that would appeal to some potential purchasers. It might also help justify the rather elevated price tags favoured by Salisbury's finest.

 

Bub and I differ slightly on our means but I've no doubt that kit needs a 'vibration sink' - bits are rattling around in there for sure. If you stop them rattling to any extent by whatever means you (I mean, I) hear the benefits.

The benefits are most obvious at lowish levels; after that, whatever's going on with the room tends to take over.

 

Merlin, joel: you know best.

 

Of course I agree with you Alex on the vibration sink and I certainly believe a good stand makes a difference.

I do feel though that having heard the difference a stand makes, there are those who get over zealous about their discovery and believe that an ill matched or badly set system can somehow be rescued by a magical stand. Cable enthusiasts in my view fall into this trap too if they're not careful.

The violent differences of opinion of differing stand cults would always lead an objectivist to believe that the main protagonists can't really hear any difference at all, but are trying to convince others in order to reinforce their own opinions. My own view after hearing many stands with different gear is that some products seem to like one type of isolation while others benefit from something completely different. This would indicate that no rack is perfect which most of us already knew.

I think the great opportunity of these forums is to let us all compare notes as to what works with what, and hopefully narrow down the range of options.

 

Well, as you given some good advice before, I went ahead and ordered a set for my player, to replace the Isobearings that the dealers still hasn't replaced...

 

Cheers Tone - nice and constructive response.

You (and others) seem to think that's fine and just a bit of fun but similar sarcastic comments about the benefits of cables are "ruining the forum"

Michael.

 

They look interesting Tone. Havent seen them before. Have you tried them, what did you think?

PS Dont you think that people would try just a BIT harder to get the visuals right at a show?? - I mean, it looks silly with two sets of cones on, dont you think? Kind of like a car-jack?

 

OK.

Mana works with the Linn LP12 turntable, Marantz CD63 CD player, Naim CDS2 CD player, Leak Troughline tuner, Naim NAC 52 preamplifier, Naim NAP 250 power amplifier, Naim NAP 135 power amplifier, Epos ES22 speakers and ATC 100A monitors.

Whether it works with anything else, I cannot say.

P.S. Also works with Philips DVD players.