power cables

Originally posted by michaelab

Eupen ... aren't in the business of making cables for audiphiles:

See: http://www.eupen.com/cable/emc/emc00.html
and: http://www.eupen.com/cable/emc/emc08.html

They make cables for all sorts of industrial uses such as airports, communications, saftey systems - even nuclear power stations!
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Audusa just happens to have taken Eupen GNLM cable and sells it as audiophile mains cable. It happens to work, very well :)
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I have a s/h Yello and a s/h Goldring that I use with transport & dac (shown below). I've seen reference to Eupen but haven't managed to track down how to buy one. Pl assist.

Short of replacing speakers (JMLab Electras 905 on home demo), I think I've reached the tweaking stage - unless I succumb to replacement amp!
 
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I see your point Ian but not many companies have the balls to say: "Our mains cable works really well. We've no idea why, but try it and you'll see". So, they make up some bollox that sounds reasonable.
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Or unreasonable, more often. It's dishonest, that's the problem. I suspect the majority of these companies have no research basis whatsoever for their claims. So, they shouldn't make them.

I don't think any 'sceptic' would object to good, solid engineering at fair prices.
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Absolutely. Or even at high prices, for that matter...

If a guy is charging me more for using silver solder and gold plated contacts, because they sound better, he must be inferring that they are different in some way and that the extra is worth paying for. Where's the data? But as you rightly point out, you don't need it, you use your ears.
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If the amp manufacturer claimed the difference was due to some pseudo scientific explanation, I'd have the same issue with him as with the cable companies that make those claims. As it happens, most of the more outlandish claims tend to come from the latter rather than the former.

To repeat, I'm not denying there can be a difference. I've heard these differences on several occasions. I object to the way that difference is explained, the way so many cable companies seem happy to spout the most absurd nonsense to justify charging an arm and a leg for their products. If the difference is worth the money to your ears, that's fine, but don't expect me to believe the "explanations" the marketing droids at Nordost and the like dream up.

-- Ian
 
MItsubishi and Belden also make cables for use on Nuclear aircraft carriers and spaceships. This stuff does not cost 1000$ a meter or even $100 a metre - unless you are from the Pentagon, in which case you are probably after a "Mil Spec" $7,000 coffee pot anyway.
 
Originally posted by wadia-miester
and a Tones in glass house.
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Clearly a collector's item. However, there is the small matter of my copyright in me. In other words, what's my cut? (And no, I do not accept it as cuts of non-working cable!)
 
Originally posted by tones
Clearly a collector's item. However, there is the small matter of my copyright in me. In other words, what's my cut? (And no, I do not accept it as cuts of non-working cable!)
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Well Tones as every ones buying stock kettle leads, your cut at the moment is not much on the grand scheme of things, maybe a Humbug or 2 mate ;) T.
 
who cares what the companies say?


The issue is whether the cables improve the sound, not what some brochure/advert goes on about.


I personally put a great deal more weight to comments made by forum members than marketing bollocks. You'd think we'd all be a bit more savvy in today's marketing bollox world.

Hell you'll be telling me Jenson Button can present TV programmes next.
 
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even you tones :)


I think the consensus is that the outcomes of power cable changes are inconsistent (in different systems with different mains qualities) with some people finding improvements and some not, and some in between. This is good information. Better than marketing spiel.
 

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