You forgot the "in your opnion bit rob", I think. (?)
(I think your views are comparatively well documented anyway, Rob
)Are you sure you meant to write that Rob?
It was a bit rude?
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The difference between mainstream HIFI, budget seperates, midrange and high end?
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You forgot the "in your opnion bit rob", I think. (?)
(I think your views are comparatively well documented anyway, Rob
)Are you sure you meant to write that Rob?
It was a bit rude?
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Just another example of getting caught up in the I'm Right -Everybody Else Is Wrong mode which all of us are guilty of at one time or another. I suspect it's just as easy for objectivists as much as anyone else if not moreso because of the science crutch and the Prove It To Us card so easy to throw down on the table when the individual knows we're hobbyists -not engineers- and not equipped with measurement devices or the knowledge to use the tools if we had them.
I'd advise anyone who has doubts about what they've heard to contact an engineer with a reputable manufacturer and ask their opinion on the matter. You may be pleased to find that what you've experienced is not only known about and recognized by fellow engineers but it's measurable and documented -sometimes even peer reviewed in orgs like the AES.
As Rob mentioned earlier, most of the actual engineers will not come on these forums and discuss these subjects for proprietary reasons as well as the childish and ignorant replies historically posted by bodgers in the past who've read a book on electronics and believe they understand everything there is to know about the field of sound reproduction. As usual, a few ruin things for the rest of us.
I'd advise anyone who has doubts about what they've heard to contact an engineer with a reputable manufacturer and ask their opinion on the matter. You may be pleased to find that what you've experienced is not only known about and recognized by fellow engineers but it's measurable and documented -sometimes even peer reviewed in orgs like the AES.
As Rob mentioned earlier, most of the actual engineers will not come on these forums and discuss these subjects for proprietary reasons as well as the childish and ignorant replies historically posted by bodgers in the past who've read a book on electronics and believe they understand everything there is to know about the field of sound reproduction. As usual, a few ruin things for the rest of us.
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It isn't the bodgers that keeps them away, rather the rantings of the deluded and/or clueless.
Most engineers quite rightly stay well away.
Just a rather more personal attack.
It only serves (as if that were needed) to illustrate you've lost your argument.
You could hardly have illustrated the fact to people more clearly.
Dave Simpson
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Not with my experience on these forums. It's always the boys with a hook lamp in mom's basement, a soldering iron, My Little Book of Electronics and a need to challenge The Pro.
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What would they gain? Potentially a lot to lose (including sanity?) by getting involved in petty arguments, regardless of which side they are on.
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Just a rather more personal attack.
It only serves (as if that were needed) to illustrate you've lost your argument.
You could hardly have illustrated the fact to people more clearly.
Why do you see every criticism as a personal attack? Rob did not call you any names as far as I can see.
I do agree that personal attacks can indicate a loss of reasoning/argument.
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Just a rather more personal attack.
It only serves (as if that were needed) to illustrate you've lost your argument.
You could hardly have illustrated the fact to people more clearly.
I would really rather you spoke your mind and drop the daft smileys when they aren't appropriate to the point being made.
It would help, David, if you actually understood the argument in the first place.
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Under ideal conditions we could have a really good exchange of ideas and potentially raise the level of discussion.
If you ever get time, have a look for Jim Lesurf on rec audio.
Jim seems a perfectly sane and rational individual and worked on the design teams of several audio companies over the years, starting with Armstrong in the 70s. He writes a lot of the technical articles today for HFN.
He sustained a quite shocking level of attack and some the foulest abuse I've seen online from the full moon howlers, and quite rightly told them to stuff it in the end.
So I think you are correct in that they have something to lose but it doesn't have to be the case. That's why we have moderators
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clue·less (klls)
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Lacking understanding or knowledge.
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Sorry, only trying to pleasant.
(Edit ; the smileys were appropriate.....in any case only you would find reason to complain about a few smileys!!!
D))Unfortunately its you that hasn't understood.
All we're hearing is you are right and every body is wrong.
Every post.
I have actually been speaking my mind for about 10 pages now. ( with respect, as I say, I think you only want to hear your own view).
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"I have actually been speaking my mind for about 10 pages now. ( with respect, as I say, I think you only want to hear your own view)."
As I don't really anticipate much improvement in the next ten pages, I think I place more value in words than to continue.
"I have actually been speaking my mind for about 10 pages now. ( with respect, as I say, I think you only want to hear your own view)."
As I don't really anticipate much improvement in the next ten pages, I think I place more value in words than to continue.
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David, I rather think that you've as usual been dancing around the argument making silly little jibes and then get all concerned when you get a short and curt response.
If you have something to say on the argument, say it.
Cheers, Rob.
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That was sort of the scenario I was thinking about. We have lost some very good people (from both subjective and objective sides) from here due to constant bickering. It seems that some people just cannot take criticism or being questioned, regardless of which side of the argument they are on. Which is rather unfortunate as both sides can probably learn a lot
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Well, I've agreed a truce with David offline so perhaps this is a good time to go back to the original thread topic.
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So for starters,
- why do some CD players cost north of £10k and what technology might they include that cannot be implemented for say £1k?
- Why do some SS amplifiers cost £10k+ and again what is there inside those that cannot be achieved at one tenth of the price?
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So for starters,
- why do some CD players cost north of £10k and what technology might they include that cannot be implemented for say £1k?
- Why do some SS amplifiers cost £10k+ and again what is there inside those that cannot be achieved at one tenth of the price?
I can think of two things. 1) The casework is usually very nice and costs a bomb. 2) They are usually manufactured in a place with high production costs (and good quality work). For example I think it would be pretty hard to build that CA 840a amp for under 1k retail if it was built in Germany rather than China. Is this the full reason for such high prices? I don't know!
