the great pay back time

the budget, great , time for us to pay for their f.... ups not only we strugle but now we are punished big time to account their pockets, all we wanted was a breather now our air has being taken away, we are going to become worse than zimbabwe, you can not get blood of a stone, this woofter has no light on his tunnel never had, so not only they use our money to bail their fups to the banks now they want our blood,
sorry, i am ungry,
nando.

 

Erm I am sat here with my car keys on the my desk, listening to "I am so bored of the USA" by the Clash via my HIFI seperates system typing on a 22" widescreen things are not quite like Zimbabwe yet.

But we don't start white riots anymore so even if the country does go down the sink us modern generation just watch it happen and say so what.

I am just very very angry about the scrappage scheme it is environmentaly crinimal. I drive a near 10 year old car and the engines fine, very little rust underneath it drives well and has a modern 16v efficient engine it is just madness.

Actually I am angry with this government too .

 

I fail to see how this exactly helps the planet either.

You'll get a load of people shelling out £500 on a clunker so they can get £5k off a new car. What about 5k off something thats at least got green credentials. Scrapping perfectly good ten year plus cars is insania™.

Ingrid (my car) is 23 years old I have no intention of selling the Duchess to the Ford Motor Company, no matter how hard the recession bites.

 

Got an old shirt?

Send it directly to:

Gordon Brown
10, Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA.

Saves them ripping it off your back.


In a free society, the rights and laws protect the individual from the government.

In a dictatorship, the rights and laws protect the government from the people.

The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. - Tacitus

 

Nando - daft post - really.

AT - I agree. 2 of my cars are over 10 years old and it would be criminal to scrap them. There is nothing environmentally good about this scheme and I object to my (and every other tax payer) paying towards those people who want to buy brand new cars. The only really benefactor is the car companies and I don't see the sense in spending £300m towards that and then making cuts in education/health services to compensate.

I don't put the blame on the government in entirity though, to do that would be rather short sighted and narrow in view. Plenty of people were out spending too much and releasing equity in their homes to fund lifestyles they were not earning - we are not children and so it would be wrong to just lay the blame at those 'in charge' if we have had a party and broken our toys.

 

This scheme worked well in Germany to give the car manufacturers a much needed (in their opinion) boast. I agree with you, Tax payers money should not be used this way. I'd like to line up the politicians and shoot them (not just for this idea, I just think that it's the right thing to do).

Voice of reason, but I'd put a lot of the blame on financial institutions and on the easing of regulations for the mess we are in. I guess it was just plain human greed and in similar circumstances we'd do the same again. I simply hate the idea of borrowing more and more to get us out of this mess. I'd like to line the politicians.... .

 

Same thought occured to me....

Whats to stop peole doing this??

.....or are they not bothered if they do?

 

The scheme ends March next year and you have to have owned the car for at least a year. So it is impossible to buy a banger for this purpose.

It is all a farse designed to make the dictatorship look good.

 

You have had to be the owner (as named on the V5) for 12 months before you're eligible.

So why's it all bow-locks?

1 - Half of the 2K for a new (non electric) car is paid for by the manufacturers. They are already paying a stack of cash under EU law for each car sold to cover scrapping. To cover all of this financial b*mf**king, they will put up prices.

2 - When you buy a new car, you have to pay a load of cash up front to cover 'new car' VED.

Doesn't leave much of an incentive out of the 2K does it?

3 - If I buy new cars, it's usually on a PCP. The longest I can have it on the PCP is 5-7 years so when I chop it in I don't qualify for the 2K.

4 - If I buy older cars, 2K is not going to persuade me to buy something a helluva lot more expensive.

5 - A lot of Mercs, BMWs etc etc will never be chopped in under this scheme anyway.

6 - 5K off an electric car. Whoopee! The average cost of an electric car is 2-3 times that of a petrol / diesel equivalent.

7 - Buying an electric car salves your green conscience. Not really. If you bought one now, chances are you'll use electrickery mostly derived from fossil fuels which have emitted CO2 as they got burned. Now given all the losses in generating and transmission, there is a lot of energy lost between burning the fuel and car motion. Putting petrol / diesel / LPG in a car has a shorter path so it is more efficient. So for each kg of CO2 emitted, it could be argued a petrol / diesel / LPG car gives more miles.

8 - And as for the environmental impact of making all those new cars, particularly all of the lethal chemicals / metals used in making batteries.....


It's all bunk. Really. :JOEL:

 

You mean you like your car.

Have you bought a new one since last year?

 

I assume there is some sarcasim going on, and yes I bought a car in March and yes I like it . 45mpg, 0-60 in 13 seconds, power steering, electric everything, insurance group 3 perfect for me.

Seeker I agree with you the only thing an electric car will do is increase the profits for those wonderfuly grean companies such as Drax.

 

...so, if I read you correctly, "any road up" we're all screwed!

 

Plus this car scrappage scheme is being sold to us with "look how well it worked in germany and france". The difference is that they both have indigenous car industries and a rather nationalistic approach to buying cars.

I don't see this scheme coming with proviso limiting it to buying a honda civic, nissan micra, mini or a transit van...

 

Difficult to see what else they could do really.

The economic system we use has certain rules and contradictions that you cannot bypass. Sure, you can play around a little with regulation and monitoring but the very nature of capitalism means that we unfairly take from some and give to others.

I think it stinks personally and as a life long lefty, part of me is happy to see the whole bloody thing teeter on the brink. The reality however, is that we don't have a coherent, organised, unified force on the left to provide an alternative and so we are stuck with the same old crap.

Will I support the current lot again come election day?
Yes because the alternatives are even worse.
If anyone watched the budget speech yesterday, or Prime Miniser's Qs it was enlightening to watch the faces of the Tory front bench. Cameron and Osborne in particular, but watch how they sit sneering with the smug f'king look of superiority on their faces. Horrid people, and that's your alternative to Brown/Darling.

Some alternative.

When listening to the Tory line on the current situation, remember that this is the party of free enterprise, of small government, of individual responsibility, of free markets.
Does anyone honesty think they would have imposed restrictions on the actions of the city and bankers had they been in government?
Not a chance, as history has proven time and time again.

 

is this your doing..?
http://lpuk.blogspot.com/2009/04/taking-shirt-off-you-back-campaign.html

 

Isaac you are right but on the bigger picture the UK still makes lots of car parts and designs them. Our component and design industry is massive. By a BMW and the chances are a lot of the parts had UK input in the design.

 

The Lib Dems seem further to the left than current lot.

Certainly I agree that they should simplify the tax system - increase personal allowances as the way of 'giving tax cut'. Everyone gets some benefit, but those on lower incomes benefit proportionatly more.

I have had some good breaks and worked hard, so am in a good position earning a well above average income, however I am a firm believer that income tax is fairest way of raising revenues and I don't like indirect taxation as it hurts the poorest more.

Also income tax is the easiest to administer - so making that simple reduces the cost of collection. Tax credits and all the various benefits are overly complicated such that those that really need them often miss out and the examples the media like to trot out in the 'shameless britains' storys know all the routes to get more.
So make that simple too - if personal allowences were higher, those in the poverty trap would get lifted and more would not need credits etc. Again - reducing admin.

As for this scheme - I just don't think needed. Why spend money propping up one side of an industry over others? What about those that make their living servicing the old cars?
What about construction workers? Fishermen? Factory workers not in motor trade - not propping those up so why this half hearted scheme which will just in effect be tax-payers funding people buying new cars (hardly those on poverty line needing help) and adding to profits of big motor companies.

 

As for this scheme - I just don't think needed. Why spend money propping up one side of an industry over others? What about those that make their living servicing the old cars?
What about construction workers? Fishermen? Factory workers not in motor trade not propping those up so why this half hearted scheme which will just in effect be tax-payers funding people buying new cars



Thank you.

 

"I drive a near 10 year old car and the engines fine, very little rust underneath it drives well and has a modern 16v efficient engine it is just madness."


No, I'm with at here.

There have been advances made in the last 10 years but not so night/day to warrent this.

As Rob I think said...it just doesn't smell right.