THIS HYPOCRITES Must Stop

Tenson said:
Of course, it is very easy to go along with the idea that global warming is not caused by humans... but even if that is true, it still seems a bloody good idea to cut down how much toxic crap we throw in to our own atmosphere, doesn't it? If it is humans causing global warming on this scale, then it's a doubly good idea!

It does annoy me how the focus seems to be on TVs on standby and leaving lights on, though. Things like flying, the industrial development of China, disposal / manufacture of electronic goods and so on make that pale in to nothingness. These are not easy to answer but I think if the will is there, things can at least be vastly improved.

I recently talked to Martin (Felix here) who is a architect, about Britain moving over to wind and tidal power. From what he was saying it is quite possible, given our large coastline, to offset a lot of our power generation to such methods. We need to actually get off our butts and do it though, on a BIG scale.

...sorry I didn't mean to write that much!
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Quite agree with this but as recently I applied to put a large wind generator up in a field (I live on a hill and it is never 'not windy') and had it turned down flatly by the local council because it won't fit in with the look of the village and a couple of people 1/4 of a mile away may hear it! Makes a bit of a mockery of the whole let's be eco friendly thing.
Apart from my personal experiences the only other major problem that springs to mind is if our pokey little country is the only one actually doing anything and the developing (couldn't give a s**t if this is PC or not) countries are going out of there way to be as polluting as possible what difference are we actually going to make? Not trying to justify anything here but just being realistic.
 
Knightshade said:
the only other major problem that springs to mind is if our pokey little country is the only one actually doing anything and the developing (couldn't give a s**t if this is PC or not) countries are going out of there way to be as polluting as possible what difference are we actually going to make?
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Yeh, those darn po' folks having the temerity to want to do what we've been doing for 200 years.

Let 'em eat cake.
 
Lynn SkeptiK said:
The responses in this thread go a long way in illustrating why nothing will be done...and why, ultimately, it's a good thing for the rest of the universe that nothing will be done.


Sorry, the human race is just too bigoted and dumb to be worth worrying about saving. Happily, the planet will recover once we're in the dustbin of history where we belong.


Just glad I've got no kids!
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Knightshade said:
Quite agree with this but as recently I applied to put a large wind generator up in a field (I live on a hill and it is never 'not windy') and had it turned down flatly by the local council because it won't fit in with the look of the village and a couple of people 1/4 of a mile away may hear it! Makes a bit of a mockery of the whole let's be eco friendly thing.
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Thats outrageous :mad:

Apart from my personal experiences the only other major problem that springs to mind is if our pokey little country is the only one actually doing anything and the developing (couldn't give a s**t if this is PC or not) countries are going out of there way to be as polluting as possible what difference are we actually going to make? Not trying to justify anything here but just being realistic.
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Someone has to start. If the west goes 'green' then the east may follow suit in years to come and at least it will have improved on the pollution being put out.
 
Bad science I think, fund hungry scientists jumping on the bandwagon, whole armies of bureaucrats living off the ever bigger political bandwagon and that convincing public speaker Al G with some of his facts wrong.
now we find out that the polar caps are likely as not to melt so quickly as first though or have such bad consequences. That is the first sight back track - how many more to come.
Can it get worse? No wonder most governments only pay lip service...

I don't believe 'they' can predict something as complex as climate change causes. Can't even predict the weather or understand the economy. Too much computer modeling based on assumptions.
Far too much media sensationalisation of the recent storms and floods. These things have always happened. Not a good idea to build on flood plains...

I do agree with not polluting our environment, respect for the planet we live on etc.

At least my beast of a tube amp is electric and not run by an internal combustion engine:-)
I too am not allowed to erect a 25m high wind turbine on my own land...
 
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speedy.steve said:
Bad science I think, fund hungry scientists jumping on the bandwagon, whole armies of bureaucrats living off the ever bigger political bandwagon and that convincing public speaker Al G with some of his facts wrong.
now we find out that the polar caps are likely as not to melt so quickly as first though or have such bad consequences. That is the first sight back track - how many more to come.
Can it get worse? No wonder most governments only pay lip service...

I don't believe 'they' can predict something as complex as climate change causes. Can't even predict the weather or understand the economy. Too much computer modeling based on assumptions.
Far too much media sensationalisation of the recent storms and floods. These things have always happened. Not a good idea to build on flood plains...

I do agree with not polluting our environment, respect for the planet we live on etc.

At least my beast of a tube amp is electric and not run by an internal combustion engine:-)
I too am not allowed to erect a 25m high wind turbine on my own land...
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It's IMO got nothing to do with predictions if the effects can already be measured.

Parts per millon of carbon hasn't been over 300 ppm for 400,000 years. Funny enough there's been a steady rise
to current 370 ppm since the start of the industrial revolution.

The bottom line is that there are 5 billion too many of us for longterm sustainable habitation on this size planet.
 
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with an IQ lower than 130.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with Chav traits.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone chewing gum with open mouths.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with alcohol dependency.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with drug dependency.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone who has appeared on the Trisha show.
Compulsory sterilisation of all narky teens.

NURSE PASS ME THE WINKY NIPPERS!

Feel free to add to the list. I've no intention of breeding until this is a slightly more suitable planet to propagagte humans.
 
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zygote23 said:
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with an IQ lower than 130.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with Chav traits.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone chewing gum with open mouths.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with alcohol dependency.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone with drug dependency.
Compulsory sterilisation of anyone who has appeared on the Trisha show.
Compulsory sterilisation of all narky teens.

NURSE PASS ME THE WINKY NIPPERS!

Feel free to add to the list. QUOTE]

Compulsory sterlisation of anyone advocating compulsory sterilisation.
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JCL said:
Yes but for their sake.

Bit too much reality for most people in LS's post I think...
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Well, my father was born during WW1. He and my mother got married just after WW2, and had their children, self included, when the Cold War was at its height and nuclear war was a very real threat. There's never a 'right time' to have children if you think too much about it. (Once you have children, you don't have enough time or energy to worry).
 
Its not age that's the problem though its numbers

Ecologically speaking children are seriously bad news ... its just one of those things people seem uncomfortable with accepting.
 

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