The Devil
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True. There's loads of bad hi-fi out there. Price is no guarantee of quality.PBirkett said:
What does it mean?
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domfjbrown
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The Devil said:
I've NEVER heard this track sound awful - except on a CD12/ATC actives system (hint - it's not the ATCs' fault!).
Oh - if a system can play "Things can only get better" by Howard Jones (has to be off of "Dream into action", first or second CD press though) without your ears screaming for mercy from the brillo pad treble, caused by the 99p 1980 Binatone ADC they used to master it, it's doing something right
Seems there's few issues here, all being lumped in as 'bad recordings'. There's the recording & original production, then there's the quality of the pressing and then there's remasters/repressings.
If we assume that you're listening to an original pressing then I'd say there are very few bad recordings out there, there are lots of 'amazing' sounding records where the recording/production/pressing are all spot on; these recordings will sound good on any system.
If your system sounds amazing with 25% of your collection, average with 50% and shite with 25%, then it's not the recordings, it's your system that's shit.
If we assume that you're listening to an original pressing then I'd say there are very few bad recordings out there, there are lots of 'amazing' sounding records where the recording/production/pressing are all spot on; these recordings will sound good on any system.
If your system sounds amazing with 25% of your collection, average with 50% and shite with 25%, then it's not the recordings, it's your system that's shit.
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domfjbrown
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ditton said:
No. Borrow FOUR, and use them as a cheap alternative to Linn Skeets/Naim Chips under the spikes of the Mana - hopefully at a ridiculously high phase, so the CDs explode under the weight!
Abba did, do and always WILL suck. I hate them! There's maybe 3 tracks worthwhile, and the rest is sonic torture.
The Devil
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I have the first two Oasis albums on vinyl - first pressings. The first one sounds sensationally good, the second perhaps a little less so, but still good.
Try "Elephant" by The White Stripes, or "The big come up" by The Black Keys for a similar 'live gig' feel.
Try "Elephant" by The White Stripes, or "The big come up" by The Black Keys for a similar 'live gig' feel.
wadia-miester
Mighty Rearranger
James agreed with the White strips sounds Fooking good (all that 40% valve feedback), but the Oasis one is shite (CD) in no uncertain terms, I only have 3 cd's I won't play due to how naff there are, the other 2 really are mastered appallingly.
The Devil
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Give the black keys a go, Tony. Recommended.
wadia-miester
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James,
Very daja' Vu' I was in Virgin this morning (scary I've bouight 26 cd's in the 2 weeks
) and the in store radio was mentioning their new ? album? I'll drop and get some later cheers Tone
Very daja' Vu' I was in Virgin this morning (scary I've bouight 26 cd's in the 2 weeks
) and the in store radio was mentioning their new ? album? I'll drop and get some later cheers Tone
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This is very wrong. Most people on here listen to a fairly narrow range of music, that is produced for comfortable reproduction in a BMW and is probably OK if you don't listen closely. However, there are any number of truely awful recordings out there.Bradders said:
Mastering and manufacturing QC are another matter entirely.
domfjbrown
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The Devil said:
"Elephant" on CD is one of the most musical CDs I have...
...I also have it on vinyl; let's just say - easily 100% better than the CD. It raaaaawks, man. And it only cost about £12k to make IIRC - 8 track analog open reel and valve desks - nice.
The Devil
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Joel,
Yr sstm s crp.
Yr sstm s crp.
I listen to classical, rock, metal, pop, country/folk, jazz, hip hop - I don't have any records that are unlistenable and only a couple I'd class as being badly recorded. Some of the pop stuff produced for kids/clowns may suck, production wise - I don't put that sort of stuff on my system so I can't really comment.
Re 'Elephant' - yep it sounds amazing. It's not a particularly complicated album though and the more stripped down you get in terms of what you're recording, usually the better/more realistic, IME/IMHO, etceterah, etceterah.
Re 'Elephant' - yep it sounds amazing. It's not a particularly complicated album though and the more stripped down you get in terms of what you're recording, usually the better/more realistic, IME/IMHO, etceterah, etceterah.
wadia-miester
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THis all boils down to invidual point of reference, (music aside), what I conside unlistenable (Sound reproduction wise) will be different from Joel/Merlin/Robbo/JU/Saab/Iaasc.
And most ££££ systems are unlistenable because of their presenation, not because it sounds naff (though to me presenation of music preformance is as bad
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And most ££££ systems are unlistenable because of their presenation, not because it sounds naff (though to me presenation of music preformance is as bad
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"If your system sounds amazing with 25% of your collection, average with 50% and shite with 25%, then it's not the recordings, it's your system that's shit."
I love this kind of constructive comment it gives me faith in my fellow man.
I love this kind of constructive comment it gives me faith in my fellow man.
TonyL
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What is a bad recording in the context of rock or pop? I'm really curious as to what people are complaining about here as IMHO there quite simply is no 'right'. Recording technique is an artistic and purely subjective choice made by the band and producer ââ'¬â€œ it is naïve in the extreme to assume they were after a 'realistic' sound.
I notice people are using Elephant by The White Stripes as an example of a 'good recording' ââ'¬â€œ I have no argument, I love it. At the other extreme I'm currently listening to The Plateau Phase by Crispy Ambulance, it is very processed and atmospheric, loads of effects on everything; the drums, voice and guitar don't sound 'natural' in any way, yet it is exactly right for the music. It simply would not work as well if it was as 'honest' as Elephant.
Half Man Half Biscuit are another great example ââ'¬â€œ I was actually in the room when many of the tracks on their first album were recorded. As can be heard many 'mistakes' were made (mains hum / dodgy erase head on the deck / cheap mics etc), yet it is IMHO utterly brilliant. The kak-handedness of the recording enhances it. It just works with the music.
I honestly don't think I have anything that I would classify as a truly 'bad' recording (ok, I certainly wouldn't describe Yinferanodgie by Archbishop Kebab as a 'good' recordingââ'¬Â¦). Certainly there are many I would have been interested to hear mixed in a different way out of curiosity, but 'bad' is far too strong a word.
Tony.
I notice people are using Elephant by The White Stripes as an example of a 'good recording' ââ'¬â€œ I have no argument, I love it. At the other extreme I'm currently listening to The Plateau Phase by Crispy Ambulance, it is very processed and atmospheric, loads of effects on everything; the drums, voice and guitar don't sound 'natural' in any way, yet it is exactly right for the music. It simply would not work as well if it was as 'honest' as Elephant.
Half Man Half Biscuit are another great example ââ'¬â€œ I was actually in the room when many of the tracks on their first album were recorded. As can be heard many 'mistakes' were made (mains hum / dodgy erase head on the deck / cheap mics etc), yet it is IMHO utterly brilliant. The kak-handedness of the recording enhances it. It just works with the music.
I honestly don't think I have anything that I would classify as a truly 'bad' recording (ok, I certainly wouldn't describe Yinferanodgie by Archbishop Kebab as a 'good' recordingââ'¬Â¦). Certainly there are many I would have been interested to hear mixed in a different way out of curiosity, but 'bad' is far too strong a word.
Tony.
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One that comes to mind is the Diary of Alicia Keys. This is an album that has some good ideas, but which has had the life squeezed out of it.TonyL said:
I have quite a few field recordings made by ethnomusicologists with handheld mics which are, shall we say, technically flawed. The music is absolutely fabulous, though.
I agree that there is no absolute right or wrong, but some approaches can be self-defeating.
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