Yet another bold claim...

Keep this up BD, and your'll have a wall all to yourself (We, print them off & put them up in the front office/waiting room, so when we are pissed off and depressed we go and cheer ourselves up or the visitors have a smile )
Mike B only has 2, you my boy are way out front, and you've only been around for a short space of time.
As for the above statement, that fits in the ATC's are best speakers in the universe slot, total & utter Bollox
NB, I like the 1062, I own one, however such a post is dillusionary & to quote a Jimmy hughes 'Well over egged'

 

I don't call myself Rotel-meister.

I don't sell cables.

I don't care for the industry's good name.

I don't have golden ears.

I don't defy logic.


I just want true fidelity which means accuracy, cience and logic. And I'm getting it...

 

True fidelity eh? Do go on I'm all Golden ears

 

BD,

Good for you. However many of us prefer to use a different method of evaluating equipment, if that's OK with you.

 

Now Now, Robbo thats dashed unsporting of you mate!!!
After all you've been told we are all wrong sir, how can you be so calm and collective mate?

 

Hey Golden Ears,

How many have I got up there?

Well, no matter - I promise to try really hard in the future.

 

Robbo,

I never said the opposite.

Besides, there's always a reason to believe in God.

 

But does God do NS1000's? an eternal question I feel

 

when we get the published figures to support these daft claims, may i suggest we have calibration data and dates for the measuring equipment used, such as the scope, the meter used to measure input voltage etc..
without this information BD's statements are complete and utter tosh.

 

You've clearly completely missed the point of the null test

The elegance is that crap test gear means you get a worse null.

Paul

 

And so, the forums efforts to attract and welcome new members continues

 

Indeed, MO.

I'm constantly amazed at how hard it is to get across the concept of ignoring people whose views offend you... Rational discourse = good, bigotry = bad.

Dunc

 

Don't worry MO! BD can look after himself. He's a good mate of mine and has had his fair share of forum drubbings before. He likes to provoke people and it would seem some have taken the bait

In his favour though I'll say it's enlightening that when challenged with the concept of the null test all that it's detractors have managed to counter with is cheap ridicule. As Paul (Ranson) said earlier in the thread, at least offer some argument why you believe that an amp that only has gain into a real load is worse than an amp that distorts into a real load.

BD, you didn't answer my question about whether you'd null tested the Sim i-5. I'm pretty sure you haven't, since when you had the amp at your place was long before you'd heard of the null test. In which case, how can you claim it's worse than the Rotel? You haven't even heard the i-5 driving your NS1000s so even a subjective comparison (with some months in between auditions) is pretty worthless. Also, if you're making a purely subjective judgement then that's no better than what you've been criticising everyone else for

You've null tested the MF A1000 and it's worse than the Rotel, fair enough, but before you make statements about the Sim i-5 you should measure it.

Michael.

 

Well I am certainly not against null testing per se, measurements definately have thir place, but surely the final judgement on the sound of any kit should be made by ear. After all you spend nearly all of your time listening to the kit, not measuring it! (although I am not so sure this is the case for some folk)

 

Thats not the biggest flaw with the arguement IMO Robbo (although its a massive gaping flaw to be sure).


What I think is ridiculous is you have a situation where an amplifier is tested flat-earth style for very low distortion figures, attempting to gain a ''wire with gain''.

You then have a pair of speakers and a CD player that were not purchased with a flat frequency response and zero distortion in mind.

IMHO if BD is really sold on this idea, he should sell both CD player and speakers, and test new speakers and CD players until he finds an entire system that is ''wire with gain''.

The fact that he is unlikely to do so is surely because he LIKES the sound of his speakers and CD player. This completely undermines the methodology of using Null testing as a method of picking hifi components. After all, if the philosophy applies to one audio component it surely applies to the entire system.

Does anyone else see this as a flaw in reasoning?

 

realy?

 

So, I'm guessing that were there an equivalent to the null test for CD Players and speakers then BD would happily perform it.

BD - do you take any readings on frequency response of speakers?

 

I guess what you could do on CDPs is get an analysis of the original signal put on the CD. Then subtract this from the output of the CDP, thus giving a CDP null test.

Flame proof suit donned.

 

Scopes really arn't that accurate enough even a 40 meg, you'll need a spectrum (or Network analyiser better) to obtain truely meaniful figures if thats the bag your into, as with everything its an indicator.
Like the clear ones that Bimmers use to frighten old farts on bikes