All aboard the atheist bus?

what's with this "probably" malarky did the atheists get cold feet or something?



now *that's* a bus that will turn heads! They could do a set. "Christianity is Stupid", "Buddha could do with a diet", "Pagans **** livestock" etc etc

 

In the other debate that took place for a while on ZG, this remark was made, which I do not understand:

Sorry to bring up an old statement, but it is something that has been 'bugging me'.

 

I hope you feel better now.

 

I think they are using "probably" as in : "There's probably no pink unicorns".

http://www.big-bang-theory.com/
http://www.physlink.com/education/AskExperts/ae649.cfm

 

I'll feel even better if someone would explain it.

 

Czech out the links above your post, and this one:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...light-by-watchdog-despite-326-complaints.html

 

I don't see anything in that link which addresses the question of a "singularity which has no dimensions".

As you made the statement, surely you could explain it to me?

 

Read the links, as previously suggested.

 

As you think that people who believe in God have a lower intelligence, I was hoping that you, with your higher IQ, would be able to put it into simple terms for me.

 

What sort of simple terms would you like? "The big bang arose from a singularity which had no dimensions." This seems a fairly simple way of stating it.

It's not me thinking it. In general, they do.

 

Alright then, I read the links and my impression is that this phrase "a singularity with no dimensions" is really a smokescreen for "we don't know".

The theory certainly has great claims as a wonderful fairy story:

And it seems that the Big Bang theory is not the only theory.

It would also appear that the rejection of the existence of God by some scientists arises from their conscious decision to exclude the possibilty that he exists:

Thanks for the link - it proved very interesting.

 

Untrue bub - current theory is that it arose on a high dimensional manifold. If so the singularity (if it occured) could have 0-3 dimensions depending on the topology of the intersection. Other theories use concepts to avoid the formation of singulairites in a kind of "big bounce" scenario. I suggest you look up brane theory and topology of higher dimensions. Are you an expert on the big bang too just because you have wikied a few pages? I am only a humble theoretical physicist - I am sure you know best as always

Its just a catchy meaningless phrase you tout around to give yourself an air of authority and try to kid yourself and everyone else that you actually know something. You dont. You have just read and poorly understood a couple of popular science books and are just spouting off "down the pub".

 

What's interesting is that we don't yet know everything about everything (unless your name is Brizonbiovizier), and that some people feel the need to fill in gaps in our current knowledge with "god".

 

Hi again. An expert on cosmology as well as evolution? I assume your theoretical physics career encompasses string theory, and look forward to links to your papers on this subject.

 

Its in theoretical physics degree / phd bub - I think thats enough compared with a popular science book you read

 

Really? So you don't actually know anything out of the ordinary about string theory or evolution? You do surprise me.

 

No less interesting is the 'open' scientific mind totally rejecting the possibility of a god and yet keeping many other options open.


Bit of a contradiction really.

 

I wouldn't say one could ever totally reject the possibility of a god. It's about as likely as, say, a pink unicorn or Father Christmas. In the absence of any evidence at all for it's existence, it might be fair to say that we can be fairly certain that it doesn't exist, but never rule it out altogether.

Is that fair?

 

I'd say so.

 

But that doesn't mean it's reasonable to believe in god, pink unicorns or Father Christmas.