Another pointless Mana debate

James,
For me on that day we came, the LP12 was far superior ( I know its changed since), for me the TT had a lot more Presence/texture and real sounding with bvetter solidity, the cds2 sounded like tin whistle by comparsion, so as you were using the 52 at the time, one could only conclude that the cds2 was the culprit
 
merlin said:
Most monitors are designed to be placed at the height of a mixing desk - not a sofa or floor. Raising the to this height will give the correct spectral balance and reduce floor interaction. Raising them further will reduce floor interaction even further usually making them leaner than intended. It isn't rocket science.
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Bass has become deeper, clearer and louder at phase 11, so they are less 'lean' than when they were lower down.

Mana is about sinking out cabinet colorations, and isolating the speakers from incoming vibrations.

How did you get on with your Mana purchase Merlin?
 
Hi Tony,

No argument from me that the TT is/was better than the CDP. But if Mana 'bleaches the texture', and the TT, pre and ATCs were all on Mana... then, er, the TT should have sounded 'bleached', too.

Anyway, we have all passed a lot of water since then.

I think if you heard it now you would be gobsmacked.
 
The Devil said:
Bass has become deeper, clearer and louder at phase 11, so they are less 'lean' than when they were lower down.
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You've swapped floor bounce for ceiling bounce and now have the woofers at ear height.
Seems like I'm back in this thread.
 
analoguekid said:
I'm sure even Penance will remove you from his ignore list soon:)
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he aint worth wasting mouse clicks on

I can now sit happy in the knowledge that i have a far superior setup, with out the need to use piper alpha for support.All that, and i dont have to see the inane drivel/small member waving
:)
 
You've swapped floor bounce for ceiling bounce and now have the woofers at ear height.

The ceiling is 13 feet high, the top of the speakers are about 6 feet high, leaving a 7-foot gap between tweeter and ceiling. There is no ceiling effect in my room, that is why hi-fi systems sound very good in there, I've tried three different ones.
 
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Merlin said
"Raising the to this height will give the correct spectral balance and reduce floor interaction. Raising them further will reduce floor interaction even further usually making them leaner than intended. It isn't rocket science."

My thoughts exactly .

James said
"Bass has become deeper, clearer and louder at phase 11, so they are less 'lean' than when they were lower down."

I wonder if this is due to the fact that your speakers are getting closer to the ceiling and are now being reinforced by the ceiling instead of the floor ?

edited to add ,
I seem to be a bit slow of the mark
note to self - must learn to type with more than one finger .
 
The Devil said:
Bass has become deeper, clearer and louder at phase 11, so they are less 'lean' than when they were lower down.
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Perfectly feasible - after all moving even an inch or so in the vertical plane will affect a speaker's interaction with the relevent axial mode. Nowt to do with anything more though I suspect.
 
kermit said:
Merlin said
"Raising the to this height will give the correct spectral balance and reduce floor interaction. Raising them further will reduce floor interaction even further usually making them leaner than intended. It isn't rocket science."

My thoughts exactly .

James said
"Bass has become deeper, clearer and louder at phase 11, so they are less 'lean' than when they were lower down."

I wonder if this is due to the fact that your speakers are getting closer to the ceiling and are now being reinforced by the ceiling instead of the floor ?
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keep up sleepy head Joel already suggested this and twas answered by Bub.

James you quote Merlin re Monitors in the air, and he states that they will sound leaner the higher you go, so how can yours now sound fuller if they are another foot in the air and you are not putting it down to ceiling interaction?

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Merlin you suggest they sounded leaner higher up, James has moved his another foot and they are bassier, and I would say they are prolly equidistant from floor and ceiling, so what has made them do the opposite from what you describe?
 
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merlin said:
Perfectly feasible - after all moving even an inch or so in the vertical plane will affect a speaker's interaction with the relevent axial mode. Nowt to do with anything more though I suspect.
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You may suspect - but you are wrong. I've heard the Mana effect in enough different systems and rooms to know that you are wrong, btw.
 
analoguekid said:
James you quote Merlin re Monitors in the air, and he states that they will sound leaner the higher you go, so how can yours now sound fuller if they are another foot in the air and you are not putting it down to ceiling interaction?
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It's the Mana stands removing cabinet coloration, allowing you to hear the bass (and everything else) more clearly.
 
He was replying to me though James as I asked a direct question.

Your answer to height didn't really answer my question, first you agree with M then you contradict him. You quoted him and his answer to monitors being better but leaner higher up as if you agreed then contradicted him by saying that your sound is fuller and that moving them had nothing to do with it the mana did it all, what gives?
 
Zealot alert, I thought fox had finished his room, but it seems the builders have left some scaffolding behind :) also shows other lovely rooms spoiled by the blacksmiths offcasts.

http://mana.server909.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14


Although this guy isn't really trying
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