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[analoguekid]

All that hot air Dat and you haven't even tried Mana. I'm sure based on your logic that you should just have put your kit on packing crates, and saved yourself a fortune after all its only wood and a bit of metal.

Says it all really?

Next time dat argue about something you have experienced, oh and he didn't call you a motherfu**er, he called you a wan**r and Merlin doesn't need that explained as he has prolly worked that out for himself already.

 

[The Devil]

Awwww, dat. Never mind. Could you prove to anyone that the Hutter is better than the Ikea?

The CDS2 is a very special CD player indeed, but it is very critical of set-up. It's just too bad that you couldn't get yours to work. Mind you, it seems far from certain whether you would have noticed or not if you had.

A separate mains spur for the hi-fi is a worthwhile upgrade.

You were behaving like a hand-cranker, but I'm willing to believe that you aren't one. ;-)

 

[Alex S]

My very special indeed 6.5K CDS2 was rather easily outperformed by a Densen 400XS at 2.5K. But the CDS2 was on Mana at the time.

 

[wolfgang]

Drugs will be used if very pretty Blonde female rep sells it, John Watson is not pretty so no incentive there.............

Oh and Mana is used purely to enhance a hobby and it is trivial to compare to life saving drugs, which are chosen for objective rather than subjective reasons.

Dat I have never tried Mana in my own system, I have heard it in Bubs sytem but never heard that system sans mana, does it work, I don't honestly know either way, and as a result would nebver try to say it is a lotta rubbish, It looks ugly but again that is a matter of taste, I would never wear orange trousers but some would.

Paul

After a busy weekend I managed to miss so many gems quotations already.

If you are not pretty, blonde or a female rep you could still uses the next best line of attack. Try to bring along all your mountainous data, with graphs, charts and preferably demonstrate all these are collected with DBT and present them in colourful Powerpoints slides.

With something as UGLY as Mana's support in my humble opinion supporters really do have to provide more then an assurance from certain dubious audio gurus. Show me your measurements, charts, graphs and statistical analysis.

Once I watch a nice programme where a group of architects who could provide the most convincing support for those horrible high rise council flats. Their argument was extremely eloquent and almost convincing until the journalist asks everyone of then the crucial question. Would they bring up their own children in those horrible flats? All of them are sincere enough to say no.

So would you or everyone one else buy Mana with your own money and put them in your own living room?

 

[analoguekid]

Wolfy not all new drugs have the budget to produce large scale efficacy trials, and with some classes of drug it would be unethical to do these trials if another drug in the class, has already proved the effectiveness (or not) of the medication.

FWIW I never stood up for Mana I had a problem with the circular argument from Dat, without him having tried it himself, and I wouldn't argue for or against any way as haven't compared it to anything, and no, even if it was proved to work, I don't think i could live with the looks, but I would never argue for or against.

And you are correct if it was stunning looking we would be more likely to try it, but bub is saying IHO, it's the best, if you don't believe him buy on sale or return (no risk) and evaluate, you may even like what it does, had Dat done this then we would have respected hisviews on the subject.

 

[wadia-miester]

CDS2 world class cd player eh? :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

James I'm afraid that rather an arrogant statement, given the fact you wern't expecting me to tell the difference between the cds2 and the cheapy marantz you had ontop on the angle iron. As you keep banging on about, it makes even shite cdp's sound the same as expensive ones, if by that you mean grey, colour and textureless mono cromatic and 'bleached' then I go along with that
Fair play to anyone who has the balls to state this in public :lol: :lol: :ffrc:
You really have no idea, of how much your missing James, some of which will be made painful obvious when you listen to AK's set up soon.

 

[The Devil]

My very special indeed 6.5K CDS2 was rather easily outperformed by a Densen 400XS at 2.5K. But the CDS2 was on Mana at the time.

I think you were overcharged on the Naim, Alex. Repeating that the Densen was better than the CDS2 only serves to reinforce the Naim player's iconic status. Plus, I don't believe you, as I've heard about the WT, oh deary deary me.

 

[ReJoyce]

Plus, I don't believe you, as I've heard about the WT, oh deary deary me.

Hate to think you'd comment on something you had heard.


Cheers

Jason

 

[The Devil]

WM, was there a difference, or was it my imagination. And I would state that you seemed intent on 'bashing' my kit with your bassless nonsense, when it became clear that I wasn't going to buy your gold frankincense nor myrrh. Everyone else who has heard it loves it.

 

[The Devil]

Did I comment Jason?

Touchy...

 

[wadia-miester]

Everyone else who has heard it loves it.

James,
Tut, Tut, Ego stroking in public again, ought to be a law about that
point of order sir My comments about the cds2 arn't just aimed at your system, but every one I've heard it in
Arh, but isn't every one that heard it a weenie?, and as you preach often enough weenies are submissive ignorants
But your fellow (EX) angle iron squad seem to non plussed with your 'non brik' set up, maybe a trade to stealths and briks is required to impress them?

 

[merlin]

Merlin has stated that he is using his main speakers full range, my initial suspicions would be that doing so would bring all kinds of time alignment and phase issues in the critical mid-band area as the sub runs right up into the low mid. Theoretically the effect is not too dissimilar to using two different sets of speakers at the same time, and that is something that has never been seen as a good idea in serious audio. Tony.

Tony sorry I missed this.

You are right of course, theoretically it should not work but take a look at setups like Titian's Nesterovic's and you will see that it can.

All I can say is I like it. Is it serious audio? I don't know really, although visitors have commented on various audiophile qualities whilst I just lie on the sofa listening to music with my right ear.

FWIW, if you can run a pair of large subs up to 200 -300hz (and of course positioning becomes crucial here) you will notice a substantial increase in solidity and tangability once you have dialled them in. But of course most subs simply cannot get up there, and the drivers used by Rel and the like are of too lower quality

 

[ReJoyce]

Did I comment Jason?

Touchy...

Not really ... well if I had said "Plus, I don't believe you, as I've heard about Mana and ATC's, oh deary deary me." you'd have bust a blood vessel.


Cheers

Jason

 

[Alex S]

Where did you hear about the WT, sweetie? Its certainly true that they sound utter shite on Mana. I guess, we must do a home and away fixture so we can comment on what we hear rather than what we hear about.

 

[The Devil]

War, children, it's just a shot away, it's just a shot away.

 

[merlin]

Frequency response, noise, distortion, loudness - those are the 4 major things anyone can hear. Phase is audible under what might be reasonably called extreme circumstances.

Fabulous Datty,

Take a look at the Halcro amplifiers - virtually non existant distortion, subterranian noise floor, perfectly flat frequency response, and mighty powerful to boot. It's a great shame they are not highly rated by the majority of music lovers.

But I'm sure your AES guys would be mighty impressed - hell it's measurements are superb!

There was a very interesting AES paper presented by Jon Risch at an AES convention, in which he explained a system for measuring cable distortion using a TEF-20 and a PHI series of tones (AES Preprint #4803, A New Class of In-Band Multitone Test Signals, AES website, www.aes.org). It clearly shows differences between cable and cabling systems, such as bi-wiring. His system plots harmonic distortion in cable current transfer.

So why are you so selective when it comes to measurements?

 

[lowrider]

But of course most subs simply cannot get up there, and the drivers used by Rel and the like are of too lower quality

You should write down what you say, just a couple of days ago Volt drivers where the best, (because they are used in your PROACS), now, on RELs, they are of too lower quality... :ffrc: :ffrc: :ffrc: :NADowner:

By the way, unlike you, I read what the experts have to say, dont waist my time trying to re-invent hifi...

 

[merlin]

You twist things Antonio, although you might like to know that the drive units employed in the new Proacs were designed by Proac and are manufactured by Volt to Proac's tolerances.

The cheap stuff you get on the Rels can be picked up for a few quid from Solen and the like, ideed you can build your own Strata for about £100 including amp!

 

[The Devil]

PS Alex, yes I'd be very interested to hear your kit, and more importantly, to see you again. I keep asking you up, but you've stalled so far. I think drawing comparisons between this & that are completely impossible in different systems & rooms, and I certainly wouldn't expect you to bring your CDP nor TT with you, but you can if you really want to.

 

[wadia-miester]

James,

I feel a good exchange there, Alex's system you will find surprising good and effortless.
Prehaps while your on the down here leg of your visit, maybe a drop in at Robbo's as well, & trip to Wm towers maybe