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Discussion in 'Hi-Fi and General Audio' started by Kelly, Jun 19, 2004.

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    analoguekid Planet Rush

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    All that hot air Dat and you haven't even tried Mana. I'm sure based on your logic that you should just have put your kit on packing crates, and saved yourself a fortune after all its only wood and a bit of metal.

    Says it all really?

    Next time dat argue about something you have experienced, oh and he didn't call you a motherfu**er, he called you a wan**r and Merlin doesn't need that explained as he has prolly worked that out for himself already.
     
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    Awwww, dat. Never mind. Could you prove to anyone that the Hutter is better than the Ikea?

    The CDS2 is a very special CD player indeed, but it is very critical of set-up. It's just too bad that you couldn't get yours to work. Mind you, it seems far from certain whether you would have noticed or not if you had.

    A separate mains spur for the hi-fi is a worthwhile upgrade.

    You were behaving like a hand-cranker, but I'm willing to believe that you aren't one. ;-)
     
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    My very special indeed 6.5K CDS2 was rather easily outperformed by a Densen 400XS at 2.5K. But the CDS2 was on Mana at the time.
     
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    After a busy weekend I managed to miss so many gems quotations already.

    If you are not pretty, blonde or a female rep you could still uses the next best line of attack. Try to bring along all your mountainous data, with graphs, charts and preferably demonstrate all these are collected with DBT and present them in colourful Powerpoints slides.

    With something as UGLY as Mana's support in my humble opinion supporters really do have to provide more then an assurance from certain dubious audio gurus. Show me your measurements, charts, graphs and statistical analysis.

    Once I watch a nice programme where a group of architects who could provide the most convincing support for those horrible high rise council flats. Their argument was extremely eloquent and almost convincing until the journalist asks everyone of then the crucial question. Would they bring up their own children in those horrible flats? All of them are sincere enough to say no.

    So would you or everyone one else buy Mana with your own money and put them in your own living room?
     
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    analoguekid Planet Rush

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    Wolfy not all new drugs have the budget to produce large scale efficacy trials, and with some classes of drug it would be unethical to do these trials if another drug in the class, has already proved the effectiveness (or not) of the medication.

    FWIW I never stood up for Mana I had a problem with the circular argument from Dat, without him having tried it himself, and I wouldn't argue for or against any way as haven't compared it to anything, and no, even if it was proved to work, I don't think i could live with the looks, but I would never argue for or against.

    And you are correct if it was stunning looking we would be more likely to try it, but bub is saying IHO, it's the best, if you don't believe him buy on sale or return (no risk) and evaluate, you may even like what it does, had Dat done this then we would have respected hisviews on the subject.
     
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    CDS2 world class cd player eh? :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

    James I'm afraid that rather an arrogant statement, given the fact you wern't expecting me to tell the difference between the cds2 and the cheapy marantz you had ontop on the angle iron. As you keep banging on about, it makes even shite cdp's sound the same as expensive ones, if by that you mean grey, colour and textureless mono cromatic and 'bleached' then I go along with that :)
    Fair play to anyone who has the balls to state this in public :lol: :lol: :ffrc:
    You really have no idea, of how much your missing James, some of which will be made painful obvious when you listen to AK's set up soon.
     
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    I think you were overcharged on the Naim, Alex. Repeating that the Densen was better than the CDS2 only serves to reinforce the Naim player's iconic status. Plus, I don't believe you, as I've heard about the WT, oh deary deary me.
     
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    ReJoyce ... Jason Hector that is.

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    Hate to think you'd comment on something you had heard.


    Cheers

    Jason
     
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    WM, was there a difference, or was it my imagination. And I would state that you seemed intent on 'bashing' my kit with your bassless nonsense, when it became clear that I wasn't going to buy your gold frankincense nor myrrh. Everyone else who has heard it loves it.
     
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    Did I comment Jason?

    Touchy...
     
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    James,
    Tut, Tut, Ego stroking in public again, ought to be a law about that :D
    point of order sir :p My comments about the cds2 arn't just aimed at your system, but every one I've heard it in
    Arh, but isn't every one that heard it a weenie?, and as you preach often enough weenies are submissive ignorants
    But your fellow (EX) angle iron squad seem to non plussed with your 'non brik' set up, maybe a trade to stealths and briks is required to impress them?
     
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    Tony sorry I missed this.

    You are right of course, theoretically it should not work but take a look at setups like Titian's Nesterovic's and you will see that it can.

    All I can say is I like it. Is it serious audio? I don't know really, although visitors have commented on various audiophile qualities whilst I just lie on the sofa listening to music with my right ear.

    FWIW, if you can run a pair of large subs up to 200 -300hz (and of course positioning becomes crucial here) you will notice a substantial increase in solidity and tangability once you have dialled them in. But of course most subs simply cannot get up there, and the drivers used by Rel and the like are of too lower quality
     
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    ReJoyce ... Jason Hector that is.

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    Not really ... well if I had said "Plus, I don't believe you, as I've heard about Mana and ATC's, oh deary deary me." you'd have bust a blood vessel.


    Cheers

    Jason
     
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    Where did you hear about the WT, sweetie? Its certainly true that they sound utter shite on Mana. I guess, we must do a home and away fixture so we can comment on what we hear rather than what we hear about.
     
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    War, children, it's just a shot away, it's just a shot away.
     
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    Fabulous Datty,

    Take a look at the Halcro amplifiers - virtually non existant distortion, subterranian noise floor, perfectly flat frequency response, and mighty powerful to boot. It's a great shame they are not highly rated by the majority of music lovers.

    But I'm sure your AES guys would be mighty impressed - hell it's measurements are superb!

    There was a very interesting AES paper presented by Jon Risch at an AES convention, in which he explained a system for measuring cable distortion using a TEF-20 and a PHI series of tones (AES Preprint #4803, A New Class of In-Band Multitone Test Signals, AES website, www.aes.org). It clearly shows differences between cable and cabling systems, such as bi-wiring. His system plots harmonic distortion in cable current transfer.

    So why are you so selective when it comes to measurements?
     
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    You should write down what you say, just a couple of days ago Volt drivers where the best, (because they are used in your PROACS), now, on RELs, they are of too lower quality... :ffrc: :ffrc: :ffrc: :NADowner:

    By the way, unlike you, I read what the experts have to say, dont waist my time trying to re-invent hifi... :p
     
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    You twist things Antonio, although you might like to know that the drive units employed in the new Proacs were designed by Proac and are manufactured by Volt to Proac's tolerances.

    The cheap stuff you get on the Rels can be picked up for a few quid from Solen and the like, ideed you can build your own Strata for about £100 including amp! :D
     
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    PS Alex, yes I'd be very interested to hear your kit, and more importantly, to see you again. I keep asking you up, but you've stalled so far. I think drawing comparisons between this & that are completely impossible in different systems & rooms, and I certainly wouldn't expect you to bring your CDP nor TT with you, but you can if you really want to.
     
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    James,

    I feel a good exchange there, Alex's system you will find surprising good and effortless.
    Prehaps while your on the down here leg of your visit, maybe a drop in at Robbo's as well, & trip to Wm towers maybe
     
    wadia-miester, Jun 28, 2004
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