Why you can never 'win' with Mana

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perhaps i can distill this entire thread into....

mana's great...
no it's crap...
it's ok but it's not for me..
mana's great...
no it's crap...
it's ok but it's not for me..
mana's great...
no it's crap...
it's ok but it's not for me..

repeat ad infinitum with little change and more vehmence until the thread is moved to the kindergarden or wanders off into a diatribe against UE or the relative merits of powerful saloon cars and then gets moved to the kindergarden.
cheers


julian
 
Originally posted by Steven Toy
The aesthetics are irrelevant, only the sound should matter.
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Surely even you don't believe that Steven.....or perhaps your living room also has floral print wallpaper, chintz curtains and brown & orange leather sofas? :D

Michael.
 
Surely even you don't believe that Steven.....or perhaps your living room also has floral print wallpaper, chintz curtains and brown & orange leather sofas?
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The hi-fi is one thing. The décor is another. The two should not compromise each other.

Who sez the hi-fi is in the living room?
 
Originally posted by PBirkett
What I'd like to see is at least some measurable change, for example a frequency response chart before and after each layer, rather than just someone says "it works".
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I don't think a frequency response chart will tell you much about the Mana effect. Personally, I'd look at waterfall responses (or, for someone feeling fancy, wavelet analysis). Most waterfall responses only go down 24 dB, though, and I'd want to look far further into the noise floor than that.

I found WM's comment in the other thread illuminating where he said he can emulate the Mana effect with just two changes in the electrical domain. Presumably, Tone, you're talking about a better digital clock and cleaning up the power supply? It's true that these things have similar effects, to my ears, as Mana.

What I don't get is why these approaches should be mutually exclusive. I mean, why not do both and really double your fun? Also, I don't think your electrical approach is going to be of much use on speakers, Tone, although improving components in crossovers etc. can again bring similar rewards to adding Mana - the latter based on hearsay, I should add, as I have never had different levels of Mana demmed to me.
 
Originally posted by julian2002


mana's great...
no it's crap...
it's ok but it's not for me..
mana's great...
no it's crap...
it's ok but it's not for me..
mana's great...
no it's crap...
it's ok but it's not for me..
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Oh my GAWD :eek: - Julian has forseen the anomoly and the forthcoming of the One :force:.

The Manatrix trilogy : Welcome to real world.

The Manatrix.
Manatrix : Re-Levelled.
Manatrix : Ridicules.

All that neo-gothic black metal is starting to look a bit scary to me.
It's all gone very Philip K Dick :MILD: .
 
Originally posted by The Devil
A lot of people listen with their eyes, see spikes, metal and glass ergo harsh, glassy, edgy sound, audition over. Others have agendas of their own.

James
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I wanted it to work, James, I badly wanted it to work, 'cos there was no free return from Switzerland. And it didn't, for me. And, yes, I did take the care to set it up properly (I do a lot of DIY and I'm pretty good with tools). I'm glad you enjoy it, and may you long continue to do so, but it's not a universal cure-all.
 
Originally posted by Matt F

Just a thought, but the most natural sound you are likely to get in your room would be the performer actually coming 'round your house with his/her acoustic guitar and playing for you live. In a Mana household would this be allowed or would the performer be made to sit atop a phase 9 table before starting?
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Been there, done that.

Cheers,

James
 
Originally posted by The Devil

It is very strange that a group of people who are allegedly wanting good sounds from their hi-fi, and are by and large more than happy to spend cash on things like cables, will ignore / dismiss Mana stands with hardly a second thought.
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It's also very strange that a group of people who are allegedly wanting good sounds from their hi-fi, and are by and large more than happy to spend cash on things like stands, will ignore / dismiss the importance of the mains and arranging cables optimally :p ;)

Marco.
 
The main thing I noticed, believe it or not, was that my PC actually has more computing power on Mana.. Yeah.. yeah.. "Pull the other one" I hear people cry but let me explain.
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Quoted from bubs link - and this guy seems serious

I'm prepared to live and let live on this mana thing, but for gods sake
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Marco, I run my Naim gear from a separate electrical spur as recommended by Naim. I use some Stealth interconnects which make a small difference, but these improvements are piffling compared to phase 9 Mana.

Get it in perspective.
 
Originally posted by Slaphead
Quoted from bubs link - and this guy seems serious

I'm prepared to live and let live on this mana thing, but for gods sake
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Hi, would it surprise you to know that Mana stands are to be found in some recording studios? That Paul McCartney uses it under his bass amp?

I don't find the fact that Alan's computer worked better on a Mana stand the least bit surprising, but then I have experience using Mana.
 
we have mana to thank for mull of kintyre, what a perfect recomendation that isn;t.

i find the fact that alans pc worked better on mana surprising but then i've had experience of marketing bullshit.

cheers


julian
 
Yeah the bagpipes should have been on Mana too.

You willfully won't believe, never mind.

I would ask you this:

What possible motive could we all have to make this stuff up?
 
whoever that plumber is with the audionote dac and preamp I think, has got taste.

to quote p birkett: I'm still amazed people think stacking a load of glass, spiked benches on top of each other makes a hifi sound that much better. I tell you, the guy who invented these is very clever, and deserves a pat on the back - to be able to convince people that something so ridiculous will do so much for a hifi is a genius.

:D a man after my own heart..you said it better than I could, just look at russ andrews catalogue, or even worse now, audiophile candy...awful name. Full of bollux
 
i'm happy to admit that Mana does what it does (as i mentioned, not to my taste)
but to say it improves a PC
oh p-lease

im joining Julian with a prolapse i think

I cant wait to tell our engineers that one in work:D

HP endorse Mana for all digital data storage!!!!!:rolleyes:

<edit> what did it improve?
graphics?
sound?
processing speed?
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I'm still amazed people think stacking a load of glass, spiked benches on top of each other makes a hifi sound that much better.

Good grief, why don't you read the reviews on the main Mana website, talk to some people who actually use it, or even better try it yourself???

It's this 'naa naa naa .... not listening!' thing again. Clearly you know best ... somehow or other.

I suppose it's easy to tell what something sounds like just by looking at it. Why bother auditioning?

I give up.
 
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