Are the London members OK?

Exactly Tones, it really could of been a lot worse.
I feel for those that have lost, but we should also count our stars.

It is a sad day for Britain, I hope our old spirit of standing together in hard times will prevail.

 

I just got home from a business trip (combined with a trip to Titian's) and getting into Heathrow at the moment is a non-starter. The M4 and M25 are just huge car parks. Literally miles and miles of parked cars going towards Heathrow. Getting out of Heathrow was easier by car (all Tubes still down), I was lucky enough to get a Taxi and got him to take me round the M25 for a considerable amount of cash and on the way he told me all about it.

Hopefully, they'll start Tube Services tomorrow, but I wouldn't bet on it.

 

Glad all the London guys seem OK.
has anyone heard from Lilolee? (he is London based?)

 

It is truely a sad day for Britian, though I can't say I was that surprised, we should have seen it coming and where caugh napping IMHO.
Its not like we are not used to this sort of thing with IRA activities in the 80's-90's. though having said that I think it could have been a whole lot worse, I'm sure there are things we're not being told.
This has all the hall marks of a cowardly al-Qaeda attack.
I hope this government has the balls to stick to its guns and not give in to the terrorists.
Lets stick together and show the cowards that we will not be frightened by them.

 

I suspect another belief by certain terrorists is that they are involved in a war with the moral corruption that is capitalism, and that anyone who does not fight this moral corruption (the general public within that society) is therfore condoning it, and is by definition/association an enemy.

Or that (depending upon which terroist organisation it might be) that western society has already attacked and killed innocent members of society without justification, and these acts are just a return blow in a conflict which was started by western society)

Me? I believe that trying to care for my fellow man, and hoping that in return they will try to care for me, is probably the core aim and justification behind my existence (doesn't stop me from being a grumpy old bu99er, though )

 

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lee works in town on and off but lives i suuny berkshire. lets hope he's lying on some beach somewhere? i had his mobile nos but i lost it.

lee - u ok ?

 

Hi

Sad news yesterday.

P.S.
It seemed that Lee was logged on at 20.43 yesterday.

Dean

 

Good to know everyone is alright. Never the less few people have already died and many more injured.

Hope the rest of you lot will get back to your life without much disruption. Hope the business in Gleneagles will continue without further delay as this is the first time there seem to be some effort to resolve the debts of poor African countries and some further effort to resolves the global polution. Hope there will also be no reprisals on any community within our people.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/42747.html

 

caught napping? rubbish. The train services were doing emergency training in Kings cross just the day before!

Of course this governemnt will stick to its guns - this is never in question.

Im not convinced 100% of the secret jihad of europe al-qaeda link - i would be expecting more evidence of western condemnation from the middle east - unless this coverage is being 'filtered'.

//lamboy

 

To have the place cleared by lunchtime, treat 700 people and keep the death toll quite low shows that we have prepared well for this.

 

I agrees with the authorities assessment there is only so much one could prepare for this kind of things. Still not mentally prepared myself it could happened. My comfort is at least the rest of the world has not gone totally mad.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/7/8/nation/11434444&sec=nation

 

its ok, I know things can be said in the moment.

This attack will've been planned for months.

Given the no doubt maximum state of alert, its perhaps a tad surprising it wasn't foiled or detected at all. If it was and nothing was done, questions will no doubt be asked, I can't see that tho given the current clime.

It was tho', only a matter of time, clearly all the hallmarks of an al quaeda(if they actually exist) hit, with cowardly attacks on innocent civilians coordinated.

WEll the argument about keeping suspected terrorists here until they rear their ugly heads now appears to hold no water, cos if they don't get detected, this will happen. going to be interesting the political stuff that ensues...id cards??? what else...??

If someone wants to fill a case full of explosive and not tell anyone(there are lots of other things one can do like hikacking a chemical lorry and driving into a public place, some of which I am not going to say, hitting electricity), who's to stop them? You can't point blame for that, you can for policy tho'

Perhaps it will silence all these do gooding civil liberties t
groups??

 

Data - Give it a rest.

 

I watched a television interview with a Muslim expert who said this. He said that the 'secret jihad' post contained errors in the quotes from the Koran which would not happen in an Al Q post and which led him to believe that it wasn't genuine.

Johann Hari made an interesting observation in The Independent:

The decision to target Muslims was certainly curious - unless one believes that they don't really take such things into consideration when they plan their sick attacks (or unless they plan to blame the Jews/Israelis for this one as well - were any forum members warned not to go to work yesterday?)

 

LCD,
Maybe take some time to think of those affected by yesterdays events. Instead of getting on your rather high horse.

 

Hum, they reduce the threat status, ok it was still high, but I feel we got complacent, the "it'll never happen to us" feeling. They moved far to many police and security up to Scotland and left London unprotected.

Though by al-Qaeda standards this is a small scale attack, which leads me to beleive that either it was just a warning shot or that many devices didn't go off and we're, quite rightly, are not being told about it.

What is worried is that MI5 and such like are saying they had no intel about this. Heck what are we paying them for??? I mean bomb making equipment can't just be picked up at yoru local DIY store surely they have some clues??? Beggers beleif.

I hope they catch who ever is behind these attacks, but whats more worrying is that we'll probably left them off because of some lefty "human rights cr@p" or something stupid thing like that.

Sorry I just feel angry about what has happened and that we appear to be very soft on criminal in this country so that anyone can get away with this kind of monsterous act. Where is the deterrent????

 

Lee, surely a lifetime in prison for anyone caught will be particularly horrific for these people. They are unlikely to be able to meet each other and the reaction of other prisoners would make solitary confinement a strong possibility.

Prison would be a fate worse than death and martrydom. Would suicide bombers or their ilk choose life imprisonment over capital punishment?

 

Lee

so which part of of the emergency , police or MI5 so you work for. you've obvoiusly got some kind of inside knowledge to be able confidently reach those conclusions.

or are you just talking bollocks about something you clearly don't understand at a time when many people are in hospital fighting for their lives

 

I emphasise however with the sentiments of anger that are being expressed by some forum members. Yesterday I was shocked, today angry.

I thought of asking our more artistic members to design a t-shirt with the British two-fingered salute - each finger dipped in purple ink - and the slogan:

Fuk U Al Q'

Anyone?

 

Guys,
I started this thread because i knew some of our members are in London.
If we have to have a political debate about it, can it not be another thread?