ATC SCM50 measured performance vs. high quality studio monitors

Doubtfull, but neither does the tit for tat between yourself and Nick.

 

Indeed, but the thread has become fairly useless.

I remember asking you to cut it out, but was ignored!

 

the entire thread

whats all this tiered shite anyway?

 

According to these measurements of the 552 on the Stereophile website,




the 3rd harmonic on the 552 lies at ca. -100dB.

If you can hear that, my congratulations. It is certainly not something that I would be able to pick out as the dominant character of a pre.

And I doubt the Bryston pre (you don't state which model you used) had significantly lower 3rd harmonic distortion values. The BP25 was measured to have the 3rd harmonic at -97 dB, i.e. about the same as the Naim's.

 

Yes several.

An edginess which is subjective yes but was shown objectively to be attributable to the naim. Valid for three extra pairs of ears. I am curious as to what independent measurements of both pres (neither manufacturers website nor hifi mag) would reveal about the distortion spectra.

No I am saying naim and atc are not low distortion - which is part of the thread.

Are those measurements available yet that were promised earleir in the thread? maybe we should get back to atc .

 

Sheer ironic class coming from you.

Maybe the moderators should delete your offensive remarks towards Thorsten, that would get ride of the chaff eh.

Keep up the good work chap.

 

Excellent, glad to be of service.

 

Come on gentleman - let it be.

I already answered that part bub.

 

Hi Marcus,

Yup. For the record, I liked "old naim" reasonably well for certain attributes of performance (BTW, an old all Naim/Linn system with active 'bariks has to be heard, you would not catch me owning one, my taste in music is too wide, but itr sure is special) and like new Naim quite well. BUT just like SE/HE based systems there is an undeniable character.

BTW, the "IGC" (Inverted GainClown) shares this particular distortion spectrum, the NIGC does not....

I'll stay out of the rest of the thread, my point has been made, but to the one from the underworld, for the record you persisted in questioning my mental state in your posts any time I post something you cancrue (look up paranoia when you get the time) "Anti ATC".

Ciao T

 

OK, back to the thread:

BBZ, your findings could be summarised as "I have had a bad experience with Naim & ATC equipment, and I do not intend to buy any." Is that right?

 

Yes, but the recording industry don't agree with your "point".

 

Yeah, I think you are a fruitbat, but as I said before, there's no shortage of those around hi-fi. You ought to get in touch with Roy Riches.

 

Bub, go listen to one of Thorsten's systems.

 

I certainly classify the 552 as second tier pre the 52 nearer 4th level

 

No thanks, I'm sorted, as you know.

 

Bub - see post 265.

 

Say whatever you like. Feel smug & superior if you like. You are still no further forward than "I don't like..." Which is fine, really. Shop demos are a waste of time.

 

Bub there is no smugness or superiority. These are my findings using as good a method as possible. Shop demos are not a waste of time if done properly - though they are just part of the process towards reaching a decision. What I have presented is a little more than "I dont like". I have been as rigourous as possible and have just referred to one specific factor of variation that is seperate from my assessment of its performance as a whole. Your system may well be covering this up just as easily as you can argue the opposite case that only the naim pre was revealing enough in the system I heard.

 

to be or not to be

This isnt about choices bub - it is a discussion of atc midrange distortion. Noone is dissing your choices - all kit has its limitations. Even mine! :JPS:

 

I still can't quite get over the fact that you & fruity have subverted an extremely good review of the ATC 50s into some kind of panning. Amazing stuff!

HiFi News say that ATC midrange distortion is "remarkably low". ATCs are used by very prestigious people in the recording industry. You claim that the distortion is easily audible. How do you square that circle?