lcd, yes the lexus (an ls 400 - 4 litre 32 valve v8) really was that bad. i probably spent about 40 quid a week on petrol - and i work at home! if i had to go up to brum on business the round trip would cost about 40-50 quid in petrol so 80 quid that week. oh and that was a steady 80 on the cruise control not driving it like i stole it. fan-fecking-tastic car though. if i'm ever in the position to afford one again i wouldn;t hesitate a second to buy another. cheers julian.