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if i remember a frighteningly similar thread a while ago bub actually listens whilst laying down on a sofa paralell to the plane of his speakers. thus causing more problems for those who worry about that sort of thing than a measly 12.5 degrees off axis.
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julian
 
The Devil said:
Hi dat.

You are a great contrarian,
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It depends how you look at it doesn't it. Ask most people who have never been involved in "hi-fi" whether a stand make any effect on the sound and they'll probably shrug and say "I don't know". Give them a copy of hifi masterbation monthly and soon they are ascribing mystical properties to laminated boards - be they made of MDF or not (BTW the reviews on Mana's site say MDF..).

It looks to me like you've been indoctrinated. Taken the bait hook, line and sinker. What can you expect when you hang out with a self-selecting group like the Mana forum. I suppose the high priests at naim impressed you greatly too. Are you easily led?

Of course, the naim forum is a more interesting psychology experiment it offers a good clue to what is the real truth: stands make no difference. Every notice the petty squables amongst the fraim, hutter, mana, quadraspire, isoblue brigade -ooh it gets ugly. And let's not forget the serial changers who can't seem to make up their mind. And those former Mana owners who have "lost faith" and become followers of the fraim.

The thing is, that these are self selecting groups of people who want to beleive in some crackpot idea and they form their little self help groups. That you know "many" mana users is no surprise, and it's also no surprise that they have the same "experience" you do. What you can't see is that it is you that is holding the contrary opinion.

If you look for any 'proof', as you put it, in any area of hi-fi, you will find none.
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Rubbish your speakers were designed on solid physical models. There is plenty of proof (measurement) that amplifiers do (or do not) properly work. Similarly for CD players. There are substantial studies on what people can and can't hear and what they prefer. In summary there is plenty of proof and evidence in this field.

You are making the usual obfuscating move of confusing music (art) with audio reproduction (science and engineering).

Only mathematical proof exists, and this is not mathematics.
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Once again you demostrate your inability to construct an argument. This one based on the false predicate "Only mathematical proof exists".

Setting aside proof for the moment, you have provided no evidence that Mana does anything, I'd happily consider evidence taken in some proper experimental fashion, but you have none of that either.

Mana boards are not made out of MDF, btw.
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So, what are they made of? Or is that a big secret?

You are still left with the conundrum of why, if these boards absorb vibration, your stand still rings..
 
Dat,

How does your system sound?

Interested as ever because it must be damned loud for you to enjoy it with your head permanently stuck in the sand!

You want proof? Just listen. Anything sounds different in a less than subtle way when placed on Mana. Amps too - don't know their dispertion characteristics.

You keep on believing nothing makes a difference - you seem happy so don't change your position. But whilst I am no fan of the Mana effect per se, you are not doing yourself any favours by dismissing it without hearing it.
 
merlin,
are you sure 'sand' was the word you were looking for?

dat,
i can't remember if you've answered this or not before so i appologise for potentially asking again but have you ever actually listened to a system on and off mana? with the sort of mud you are flinging i'd certainly hope so.
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julian
 
Fwiw I don't think datty cares much, his posts seem to be deliberately antagonistic towards Bub, I believe Mr Dat has his toungue firmly planted in dis cheek and is deliberately being argumentative towards poor James.

This thread is becoming petty.

Dat you seem to answer all of James' posts but answer none of the others.

Bub has made his point, he believes Mana works, he's not sure why, but doesn't need to know, he has always said try it yourself or he is unwilling to discuss it, if you've tried it then say it how you saw it, you too have offered no proof that it doesn't, God has yet to pop into a local church on sunday, but it doesn't mean people don't believe a god exists.

You have yet to offer any conclusive proof that it doesn't exist, you just keep turning buds words around, what's your point?
This hobby of ours is very subjective and if James likes it then leave him alone, he's a lovely guy, you'd prolly like him. We are not all "auditory digitals" like you we don't all need or want to prove it, remeber how mysterious the world around us was as little children, some of us still like to believe in a bit of magic.

As arguments go yours is very well constructed, bubs isn't the construction doesn't make an argument though, the point of view does and you've yet to make yours.

AK
 
It depends how you look at it doesn't it. Ask most people who have never been involved in "hi-fi" whether a stand make any effect on the sound and they'll probably shrug and say "I don't know". Give them a copy of hifi masterbation monthly and soon they are ascribing mystical properties to laminated boards - be they made of MDF or not (BTW the reviews on Mana's site say MDF..).

It looks to me like you've been indoctrinated. Taken the bait hook, line and sinker. What can you expect when you hang out with a self-selecting group like the Mana forum. I suppose the high priests at naim impressed you greatly too. Are you easily led?

Of course, the naim forum is a more interesting psychology experiment it offers a good clue to what is the real truth: stands make no difference. Every notice the petty squables amongst the fraim, hutter, mana, quadraspire, isoblue brigade -ooh it gets ugly. And let's not forget the serial changers who can't seem to make up their mind. And those former Mana owners who have "lost faith" and become followers of the fraim.

The thing is, that these are self selecting groups of people who want to beleive in some crackpot idea and they form their little self help groups. That you know "many" mana users is no surprise, and it's also no surprise that they have the same "experience" you do. What you can't see is that it is you that is holding the contrary opinion.
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pure hyperbole :rolleyes:
 
Being a mana owner myself, I have to agree with some of the claims of great gospel according St JW, I can personally vouch that my toolbox has benefited from the 3 levels of mana it currently stands on :) for over 2 years
Those spanners cast in the direction of the top draw, have a more cleaner, defined 'clang' as they rhicohet off the top runner into the draw, an easily definable leading edge enhancement of the clang, as the spanner hits the metal tray, also a more open sounding detailed clang is audioable too, no mean feat in the land of Snap On I can tell you :eek:
Although it's a double edged coin, the clang maybe better defined, but it leaves a 'grey, mono-cromatic, textureless, non trailing edge in its wake'
A bit like a narcotic, 'More edge please', said the user (trebling with anticipation at the thought of 2 1/2 weeks spent 'ringing for audio heaven') to salesman, who rubbing his hands as level 37 was wheeled out.
I might try a soundbase base now, as my toolbox has just gone cold turkey :eek: and is giving me leary looks when I walk in the Lab :(
 
like the new signature Tone!

How exactly do you "enhance" music? And would you really want to?
 
wadia-miester said:
Robbo,

Bottle of wine, add to this a fine woman, and you a completely cohsive mix, enhancing all aspects greatly :)
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So you're now pushing drugs and prostitutes then?

Cable business not all you thought it might be?
 
julian2002 said:
dat,
i can't remember if you've answered this or not before so i appologise for potentially asking again but have you ever actually listened to a system on and off mana? with the sort of mud you are flinging i'd certainly hope so.
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Bub - Whilst I am bemused by your roundalay on the subject, I completely believe you express your honest opinion and I wouldnt dismiss Mana out of hand.

Dat- you really seem simply to spoil for a dispute - yes at times your spoiling is entertaining, but it is all based (as far as I can tell) on your personally derived "logic"...







...ie. your imagination. Pursuade me otherwise or let it go.
 
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