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penance said:
Voodoo -
Saw Prodigy at pheonix, try Leftfield or Eat Static for more bass:D
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Penance, I had the [dis]pleasure of seeing Leftfield a few years back on the tour of their 2nd album. They didn't play that much from Leftism and I was sorely disappointed. Plenty of bass; just a shame it was like pea soup.

I prefer my bass more 'bitchin' !

'Smack ma bitchin' :D
 
Saab, in a hifi sense, it adds more real feeling
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hmmmm,if its "real" as in was meant to be big when the musician recorded it,some big bass just seems to be unneccessary,but I think could be my naivety
 
Saab said:
why is that Merlin? I have been to 3 classical concerts,and I didn't come away thinking wow,what great bass,its very big and deep and I need to recreate that at home,I came away thinking wow,what emotion,it stirred the soul,THATS,what I want at home,engagement with the music
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For an example I've mentioned before: the heartbroken end of Richard Strauss's Metamorphosen. Right at the very close, the double basses sink to their low C with the fundamental a little below 33Hz - live or on a system with sufficient extension, it sounds like the bottom falling out of the world, whereas if your system doesn't go deep enough it just sounds like a load of cellos playing a C (you just hear the overtones so it sounds like the 65Hz C instead). In classical music the deep, big bass is typically reserved for use at moments of maximum impact - hence, at least IMO, the importance of reproducing the low notes is relatively much greater as they tend to come at the climactic moments.
 
I can relate to that Pete,good explanation.The desire to go 'deep' seems honourable,but 'big' just seems ostentatious in some forums,just an uneccessary desire to impress when in fact the music is probably mullered beyond recognition.I have heard such a system,when all he wanted to do was burst my ear drums,and of course I put on my biggest sincere smile
 
i want more bass
because
The dyns just dont go low, no idea on measurements, but i can hear it.
Leftfield, song of life, a good example. There is a deep bass rythm, i can the second half of it, for the first if i listen carfuly i can hear it. But it is sucked out compared to the rest of the music.
 
Was it a private sale or a shop. You're gonna love those speakers I was blown away by Isaacs on Saturday, and if I could afford it I would buy a pair tomorrow. Hopefully by christmas though....
 
Lord,

Seems that you like the Kestrals then :D they're a lovely little speaker, tight musical coherent bass, that intergrates prefectly, great speakers, you can still get them, they make them special order at the factory, not that many over here (either Kestrals or sheartwaters, 30 pairs at most I feel (not includng personal imports), JJ didn't bother running them in properly or demonstrating them to their full potential, which is a shame, because they really can put to shame serious speakers.
If you have the funds, and your system has the potential the opsrays are a real ear opener.
Also they respond well to a little internal rearrangement, and for the cash they fetch an absolute steal.
 
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Hi. thanks for keeping this thread alive.
Just wanted to say, I'm very happy with the sub in my system.
it's brought a new life to the music I listen to, the gains are quite substantial.
The best explanation would be, that the sub has added a new dimension to the music.
and I'd like to say that this is the 1,112 post and the 1,111 reply :)

Have a good day everyone.
Kelly
 
Saab said:
The desire to go 'deep' seems honourable,but 'big' just seems ostentatious in some forums,just an uneccessary desire to impress when in fact the music is probably mullered beyond recognition
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By big Saab, I mean realistic weight and scale. But yes it's important to get this without overhang and bloat. When done properly the midrange benefits greatly with the perception of greater texture and tangability. It is amazing how many hifi's fail here. It is fair to say I listen to a lot of Dub & Reggae so for me it's essential. But even Eva Cassidy benefits.
 
Yep, hopefuly it will sort my system now.
I have realy enjoyed the clarity of the Dyn's, but i have started to miss the body of music. So long as the Kestrals dont overpower my room (approx 12' x 14' and 10' high). Also the Dyn's just can not hit the lows in some of my music.
 
Yes I really did like them. Would be looking for a pair second hand though, although not just at the moment, need to save up. Don't think I could stretch to a new pair just now...
 
dunkyboy said:
P.S. - I have no experience of the Krell proc so for all I know it could do stereo with no compromise. I just think it's somewhat unlikely. :)
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As you mentioned more than once lately, you like the ATC sound better than others, on top Meridian is very dull, IMHO, so you shouldnt generalize until you hear different processors, Krell would give you more of an ATC sound than Meridian, still it is not sure you would like it... :rolleyes:
 
Saab said:
hmmmm,if its "real" as in was meant to be big when the musician recorded it,some big bass just seems to be unneccessary,but I think could be my naivety
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You sure miss bass when the system cannot handle it, not so much that you have to notice it is there...

Harmonics, ambience, even real music sometimes, you have to hear an organ recording with proper bass, not Merlin's disco stuff...
 
The Krell might well offer a more upfront presentation, but sadly it is easily eclipsed in stereo by the likes of the Bryston BP25, ARC SP16L and a number of other relatively inexpensive stereo preamps. Having said that it does perform well for an AV processor.
 
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