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Antonio, how exactly am i loosing,
By having more knowledge about motorcycles?
by having a faster motorcycle?
by having a better handling motorcycle?
by not being completely and utterly startk raving bonkers?

best get along to the therapist Antonio, i think your medication is wearing off.
 
You haven't exactly said it's faster, but I did say I was paraphrasing, this means condensing the stuff you have written (drivel mostly) and presenting the gist of it in much more simpler form that the likes of Merlin can understand.

So are you saying Harleys are Faster

Are they quicker, do they handle better?

What is it you are saying Antonio?

coz most of your ramblings would sugest that the answer to the above questions are YES.

If that is the case then you are Bonkers.

If that is not the case then say so and lets put this to bed and start discussing Hifi again, as I wish to talk about my new heeadphones
 
analoguekid said:
as I wish to talk about my new heeadphones
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Well start another thread then AK. This thread is for useless ramblings to take us to 6666 posts :p

Unless of course you are asking Antonio for his expert opinion on your headphones :D
 
Antonio,

Talking out of your arse seems to be top past time for your good shelf, prehaps some professional help would be benefical at some point in the very near future, no run along there, like a good pig iron molester
 
Dev said:
Well start another thread then AK. This thread is for useless ramblings to take us to 6666 posts :p

Unless of course you are asking Antonio for his expert opinion on your headphones :D
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True Dev but wanted to change the subject, If I wanted to know what my headphones sound like I'd ask others who haven't heard them either such as Bub and DAT19, way better at talking out their arse than Antonio, who is obviously crazy.

I will post proper thread when I get them, and may even post a pick (that should be a laugh)(this last bit was a clue), in the meantime, anyone hazard a guess as to what they are.
 
Well it's good to know that you losers are all nice and loose. Indeed, never have I seen so much looseness in one thread. We must be careful! If we play things too loosely we may lose the thread of the thread. :o
 
analoguekid said:
You haven't exactly said it's faster, but I did say I was paraphrasing, this means condensing the stuff you have written (drivel mostly) and presenting the gist of it in much more simpler form that the likes of Merlin can understand.[/B][/I][/SIZE]
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"So a reasonably prepared Harley, I mean custom shocks, brakes and the usual engine tweaks, will outrun all but the best drivers on Japanese rice burners, in very twisty roads, of course it wont happen on fast highways"...

You dont need to paraphrase the above ststement, particullarly misquoting and generalising, it is short and precise enough, even Merlin can understand, only he doesnt want to... :rolleyes:
 
lordsummit said:
I think Antonio is showing those great Portugese traits of graceful loosing just like the Portugese football team
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I dont remember the Portuguese blaming the referee... :rolleyes:
 
Dev said:
Well start another thread then AK. This thread is for useless ramblings to take us to 6666 posts :p

Unless of course you are asking Antonio for his expert opinion on your headphones :D
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As you asked, you need a REL subwoofer if you want your headphones to play music properly... ;)
 
wadia-miester said:
Talking out of your arse seems to be top past time for your good shelf, prehaps some professional help would be benefical at some point in the very near future, no run along there, like a good pig iron molester
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Merlin,

Did you stuff WM inside your spare coffin, this cannot be him, not enough spelling errors...
 
Just something to consider with respect to this bike argument.


When Ducati first entered racing seriously .. they wiped the floor with the jap in line fours. So much so that they were forced to incur a further weight penalty despite already being heavier than the jap bikes. Why did this happen? because they had a significant torque advantage over the jap bikes lower down the rev range. Of course on tracks with long straights the jap bikes were passing , (because of their greater top end power), them only to be overtaken again in the tight twisty sections.

A bikes performance isn't just about peak figures.. it's where they make the power/torque that counts.

IF bike A weighed twice as much as Bike B but made twice as much torque +10% at say 3000 rpm than Bike B. Then at 3000rpm Bike A would be accelerating faster than Bike A at those revs. IF the torque curve was such that Bike A made twice as much torque +10% as Bike B at all revs under 5000 rpm then Bike A would accelerate away from corners/standing starts quicker than Bike B. Should the straights be so short so as for Bike B not be able to reach 5000rpm + before having to brake, then Bike A will always have the acceleration advantage. Under these circumstances the only way Bike B could be quicker would be:

a) It reved sufficiently quickly to be able to get up revs where it had the torque/power advantage over Bike A.

b) It's brakes were good enough to overtake and gain sufficient distance over Bike A entering in to a corner.

c) It had enough of a handling advantage that it could have a sufficiently highe enough mid corner speed to be able to overtake and gain sufficient distance over Bike A.


GTM
 
Dev said:
You know, he may just be winding you guys up.
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Guess, I am winding you guys up as much as when I say:

small speakers + subwoofers = full range speakers
 
GTM said:
When Ducati first entered racing seriously .. they wiped the floor with the jap in line fours. So much so that they were forced to incur a further weight penalty despite already being heavier than the jap bikes. Why did this happen? because they had a significant torque advantage over the jap bikes lower down the rev range. Of course on tracks with long straights the jap bikes were passing , (because of their greater top end power), them only to be overtaken again in the tight twisty sections.

A bikes performance isn't just about peak figures.. it's where they make the power/torque that counts.
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At last someone else showing some knowledge and good sense... :beer:
 
lowrider said:
"So a reasonably prepared Harley, I mean custom shocks, brakes and the usual engine tweaks, will outrun all but the best drivers on Japanese rice burners, in very twisty roads, of course it wont happen on fast highways"...

You dont need to paraphrase the above ststement, particullarly misquoting and generalising, it is short and precise enough, even Merlin can understand, only he doesnt want to... :rolleyes:
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Where did i misquote you, you Potugese Pillock, paraphrasing is using My words to describe what you have written, which is what I have clearly done, you suggest that by outrunnig the Jap bikes, I paraphrase that, to mean you suggest they are faster, what you posted is short and precise but clearly wrong unless you live on planet Lowrider.

you challenged me to show where you said, hardleys are faster and I showed you that the context of your posts suggested that (the technique I used was to paraphrase your posts.

How come you still have not answered the easy stuff.

Here I'll make it easy.


Antonio, have you ever ridden a modern Jap sports bike similar to Andy's?

Have you ever raced one on a modified Harley?

If so what was the outcome, and where is the proof to back it up.?

Would you be willing to race Andy on your chosen steeds, in either country, with the loser paying costs?

If the answer to the above questions are NO, then Shut the F**K up.
 
Kid, you dont need to shout, my ears are hurting... :(

My statement specified various conditions, not a general all HDs are faster then all JShit in any conditons, a very significant difference from your mis quote...

I did ride enough rocketshit to know I dont like them, but have nothing against those who like, I dont know what Mr P has, and it is not relevant for our ramblings...

I "raced" many and won, also lost to some, particularly never beat a Ducati...

You have to believe me...

It will be a great pleasure to ride with Penance or others, when I get another bike...
 
GTM said:
Just something to consider with respect to this bike argument.


When Ducati first entered racing seriously .. they wiped the floor with the jap in line fours. So much so that they were forced to incur a further weight penalty despite already being heavier than the jap bikes. Why did this happen? because they had a significant torque advantage over the jap bikes lower down the rev range. Of course on tracks with long straights the jap bikes were passing , (because of their greater top end power), them only to be overtaken again in the tight twisty sections.

A bikes performance isn't just about peak figures.. it's where they make the power/torque that counts.

IF bike A weighed twice as much as Bike B but made twice as much torque +10% at say 3000 rpm than Bike B. Then at 3000rpm Bike A would be accelerating faster than Bike A at those revs. IF the torque curve was such that Bike A made twice as much torque +10% as Bike B at all revs under 5000 rpm then Bike A would accelerate away from corners/standing starts quicker than Bike B. Should the straights be so short so as for Bike B not be able to reach 5000rpm + before having to brake, then Bike A will always have the acceleration advantage. Under these circumstances the only way Bike B could be quicker would be:

a) It reved sufficiently quickly to be able to get up revs where it had the torque/power advantage over Bike A.

b) It's brakes were good enough to overtake and gain sufficient distance over Bike A entering in to a corner.

c) It had enough of a handling advantage that it could have a sufficiently highe enough mid corner speed to be able to overtake and gain sufficient distance over Bike A.


GTM
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Nobody is arguing that these aren't important, and with allthings being equal then you are of course correct, but the Harley weighs 4 times as much as a sports bike and has a lower power to wight ratio and lower torque to weight ratio, the only race it would win would be freewheeling down a i in 4 incline, with no corners.
 
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