[Review] Getting animated

To that, ol' spud, I have absolutely no answer

 

Everybody knows that an active device uses a small current to modulate a large one. It's obvious that this object uses the same principles. Think levers.

Or it's a blue LED in a box which rattles.

Paul

 

Wiffle dust?

Tony.

PS your write up had me LOL - excellent stuff.

 

Tones wrote:

You're quite right Tones. A more recent catch-all term for New Age beliefs and paraphernalia and bogus bad science is ' woo-woo '. So perhaps I could be the first to coin the phrase ' woo-fi '.

The language used is freely interchangeable; Energies, waves, fields and resonance are always popular it seems. Sympathetic Resonant Technology is the latest nonsense, I don't doubt this will be making an appearance in some woo-fi device sooner rather than later.

 

felix your making a big assumption .....your presuming that you know whats happening ....I certainly do not.

I will repeat again for those of you who are looking for easy answers ...I can only tell you what I've heard ...along with the backing of those people who have correctly implimented the device.

 

interesting thought ...

 

I'm sorry, Pete, but you really haven't got the message, have you? This constant tactic of yours of trying to cloud the issue and score cheap points by making insinuations that the character and/or the practice of the individual concerned is not all that it should be does not impress anyone - it only makes people wonder why you have to resort to such tactics, and therefore whether you yourself are not quite so confident of your results as you purport.

I shall repeat one last time - I performed the test as the dealer described. Why Herr Baschung wasn't so adamant about a sealed room I know not, you'd have to ask him (warning - his English is nearly non-existent). However, as I normally listen with windows and doors closed (in order not to disturb the neighbours or the family up above), that's how I did it. Nothing can or should be read into the fact that I didn't mention it. So, stick to the facts and lay off the insinuations - it makes your case (such as it is) stronger.

P.S. Another detail comes to mind. In Herr Baschung's showroom, there is a Room-Animator permanently switched on - beside a permanently open door. Yet it was clear that this was a non-issue for him as he says he hears the effect. Mind you, all the windows were closed, so there was no draught through the room. Perhaps that's more the "critical factor".

P.P.S. Further thought - if this thing works on quartz, Oensingen sits literally in the shadow of a whopperous lump of the stuff - the Jura mountains, which tower over the village. Could it be that this is what is giving Herr Baschung his effect? (On the other hand, how exactly does one turn off a mountain range?). Perhaps we mountain folk don't need such things. )

I was only going to take the Room-Animator, but Herr Baschung said that he'd never had a client with my scientific/technical background in before, so he was keen that I try the Audio-Animator and report back to him (his actual words were, "It's different from having a carpenter or a plumber test it!")

I also did that, and nothing collapsed, not even my expectations (which, admittedly, were zero).

 

I think you have answered everyones question with your final line...

I quote

I also did that, and nothing collapsed, not even my expectations (which, admittedly, were zero).

says it all ....and shows this was not an impartial or valid assessment....imo

Why can't you accept that other people might just be able to hear things that you can't......

I'm happy that you can hear these things for whatever reason .....

Why can't you offer me the same courtesy ?



I've never told you that what I'm hearing is correct [though I do know I am hearing it ].... it's backed up by all the other people I've mentioned and their posts, that you have ignored.

I can't second guess the conversation you had with the dealer ....maybe he's not up to much ? There are similar dealers in this country too ....who for what ever reason don't pass on all the information available ......

I also note that no mention was made of listening in the dealership .....thats down right odd. I've only ever been offered a home loan following a dealer demo.....this case in point.

Did you forget to mention the the reactivation process too ?

If the unit doesn't work when you get it home ....there are some specific things you need to do ...I assume you followed these ?


Actually I feel rather sorry for the dealer ...who has loaned you the kit

...did you happen to mention you knew the units would not work I bet you did ....?

If I'd been in his place I would have had to think very carefully if it was worth the risk of loaning the items to someone who would not be able to hear them.

 

I also did that, and nothing collapsed, not even my expectations (which, admittedly, were zero).

says it all ....and shows this was not an impartial or valid assessment....imo

On the contrary, it is one of the few examples of decent scientific methodology in this thread.

 

bob mccluckie.... not at all .....quote

Very clever.
So those who hear nothing haven't implemented the device correctly?

Very objective!


As far as I know only two people have used this ...one doesn't seem to know how...or has not had the instructions fully explained, he did take a load of gear so there could be an element of confusion. I have no experience with any of the other items mentioned by tones so I can only speculate that something has been missed in implementation or in hand over by the dealer..


As I have said I'm happy to drag it round to anyone for a demo ...it may or not have an effect ....

I've had a 100% successe rate ....so far. All who have had this in there system have heard a change however small.

if you want a listen pm me ....whats fairer than that [assuming your not too far away max 150mile round trip]

sorry tenson ..your just too far away

 

mods - can you write some kind of scirpt so that this thread continues from post one again - after all this just seems to be going around in circles...

 

Would you believe that this is the longest thread ever in the reviews sections? The second is the the CD Lathe thread.

 

Naturally, your assessment was. As another poster previously stated

- it works; great piece of kit!

- it doesn't work, you're deaf, you have an agenda, you didn't do it properly.

Here you go again. Please indicate to me when I haven't done this. I accept you hear what you heard. What I don't accept it that what you heard is actually there in reality.

Eh? You're always saying, "use your ears". I do precisely that, and when I don't hear what you want my ears to hear, suddenly I have to take notice of other people's ears too. You are having me on, aren't you?

Aha, now it's the dealer's fault too...

I didn't listen there. No point, because it would have been with equipment and music which I didn't know. Swiss dealers are generally happy to let you borrow stuff without a trial in the dealership, precisely because of that reason.

I went through the whole shebang several times. Although how exactly one reactivates something that wasn't active in the first place is somewhat of a mystery...

Yes, if it doesn't work, try again (that's what the (original German language) instructions say).

Pete, I'm afraid your desperation to prove my test invalid shows ("did you forget...?" " I assume...?"). You are grasping at straws here; it was all done exactly as prescribed by the dealer and in the instructions (which are the original German language ones from the manufacturer). You know something that the manufacturer/dealer doesn't?

Remember also that I write patents for a living and we have to present accurate, reproducible examples and data as part of the job. So, proper experimental procedure is second nature.

Naturally - I told him I didn't believe a single word of it.

He was a nice man, who obviously believes in the product he sells, and he was more than happy to take the risk that I wouldn't like it. He conceded that the price was high and that the difference perceived would have to be enormous to justify it. I naturally took the best of care of it, and now it's neatly wrapped in its original packing, ready to go back.

 

can't understand why ....!!!

you know this needs a bakeoff or something ....

anyone interested in that ?

I can't offer my home as its just too small ....

Yes.... It's not getting anywhere the naysayers it can't work ...those who have heard it [except tones] all say it does ....

Tones you have clearly missed a procedure ......if you don't know what it is please read the german instructions it clearly tells you to do something with the unit ....I'm not going to tell you what it is ......for the many obvious reasons. The unit requires activation the dealer should have told you ...but it does state this clearly in the fifth paragraph of the instruction sheet ....

ie you could just say ..yes I did that,
or what a load of rubbish or if it doesn't work out of the box why should I do anything else ...

 

yes - and i can't see this one ending anytime soon...

 

You forgot Markus.

For all your criticism of "naysayers", you forget that they CAN hear the differences between different makes/model of kit. Some of them are very critical listeners. So, implying that they are deaf or worse is insulting to say the least. On the flip side, I can see why criticisms from someone who hasn't tried these tweaks will hurt but if they have tried it and found little or no difference in sound, it should be accepted as just that.

If the differences were that obvious we would not have this controversy.

 

Exactly. It's precisely because the differences are tiny, so tiny that some people think they may be in their head rather than reality, that there's any dispute about the effects of this sort of device at all (likewise cables, power leads, stands, magic disks, etc etc etc etc). If the differences were major they would be uncontroversial.

The bad grace with which zanash is treating Tones' entirely fair trial of this thing is illustrative of the lack of respect for other people's experience some were accusing sceptics of exhibiting earlier in the thread. Oh, the irony.

-- Ian

 

Pete, I know I'm not going to satisfy your every need. First of all, it was:

"You haven't listened to it!"

then it was:

"You had your windows open!"

then it was:

"You didn't follow procedures properly!"

then it was:

"You didn't reactivate it!".

Well, I confess. I did fail in one respect I did not incinerate it in the middle of a pentangle with a candle burning at each apex, and dance around it five times clockwise and then five times anticlockwise while reciting the appropriate verses from the Kabbala.I did this out of respect for Herr Baschung, because he wanted it back in perfect condition.

The instructions are at home, but I remember nothing about the unit requiring activation. I mean, you plug it in and you turn it on and you leave it. Is this activation an extrapolation of your own? Are you not going to tell me what it is, because it actually isn't there?

 

That's quite an image you projected Tony.