Seventh Veil

have you tried windows 2000?
if your interested PM me

 

Are we talking about Omiga Audio?

The web site looks really interesting. Can I cook my silver cables? Have you any experience with Cryo - waste of time or no?

 

Well I for one would not admit that I am trying to sell an £8K speaker setup having not aquired any measurement data due to a lack of understanding when it comes to PC's (or a reluctance to pay someone to configure it for you!)

Without measurement, how do you know how your system will react in different enviroments, do you just take it round for a listen

Sorry, this is not meant to sound rude, but with not answering the questions that I posted, which were certainly relevent to the acceptability of your design (think the mags are going to go easier on you?), you come across rather like a keen hobbyist, and if I might add, a HIFI World reader! My post was designed to allow you to explain your theories behind your loudspeaker, as sadly the information provided on the site is rather easily picked apart, even by a complete duffer like me.

My problem is that four cheap Bandor drivers, in a nice cabinet, with a couple of very basic subwoofers, do not tally with £8.5K in my book. I accept that the speaker market is highly overpriced, but this is to accomodate dealer margins, which frankly are obscene (50% for speakers trypically ). You have no dealer margins, no marketing budget, and it appears no real R&D costs.

So it seems that the quoted price is just a tad excessive for a nice take on the old home brew

 

Thats maybe a bit harsh merlin!

I would rather listen to speakers that have been subjectively developed and actually play music rather than some that measure perfectly and sound as dull as ditchwater.

There are other companies that do this:- Neat is a good example they only use subjective development procedures IIRC and thir speakers make for a very good listen.

Robbo

 

Mmmm , i can,t comment on the price of Bandor drive units .
But as to the cabinet construction , how much do you think the big manufacturers would charge for this kind of construction ?
the nearest i can think to this sort of cabinet is the Nautilus range . And they only use cross-sectional cut outs for bracing , not the whole cabinet .
There is a company that uses the cross sections like this , (can,t remember the name) out of high quality ply , but it is all square cut and i have only seen very small standmounts by them , which were very expensive .

All i can say is good luck with the project, its an interesting concept 7-v and lets hope it goes well for you .

 

Please bear in mind that I've been building loudspeakers with these drivers for the last 20 years and over that period I have taken numerous measurements. I think I know them pretty well. Years before my 1990 System IV I designed a system with Ted Jordan that used the original Jordan 50mm drivers.

I'll take my chances with the magazines. Paul Messenger is reviewing the Nonsuch system in Hi-Fi +. I think it will hit the stands around November so we won't have too long to wait. Actually, I rarely read Hi-Fi World but I seem to remember that I quite enjoyed it when I did.

Your problem merlin? You don't have a problem. Just don't buy them.

As for the price, I would sell them cheaper if I could. They are expensive to build. If I were to use the conventional distribution model, they would be more expensive still but, as it is, compared to other speakers in the same price range they offer good value for money. But as I said, your solution is simply not to buy them. Incidentally, where did you get the idea that Bandor drivers are cheap?

The most important thing with high-end loudspeakers is: how do they sound?

Maybe you should listen to them before you make cheap cracks about "nice takes on the old home brew"? I realize that actually listening is a little radical for many loudspeaker theorists but I find it useful. Try it.

Not that there's anything at all wrong with many DIY designs. They often show more innovation and better design than many so-called professional designs. All of the great and classic loudspeakers of the past were designed by gifted individuals, Jordan, Peter Walker, Briggs, Leak, etc., etc. For those who think the way to go is with "professional" R & D departments and large marketing budgets there's always Bose.

 

I'm not doing anything so might be able to help Wednesday, if the speakers sound ok

 

Well said 7_v.....

I've read Hifi world and enjoyed it too.

 

Thanks kermit. It's early days but I'm hopeful. I launched the speakers at the High End Show in Frankfurt at the end of May and the initial comments from the people who heard them were mostly highly favorable.

Thanks Tom. I'm not a computer techie, though I get by. Let's see if there's any time left after we've set up the system. It might have to wait for another occasion. BTW, I thought we were meeting on Tuesday not Wednesday.

Steve

 

I live in Holmer Green, so you might say that I was familiar with the company prior to the move

Absolutely agree with you, the only thing I would add is that with a well though out design that has been thoroughly researched, you stand a much greater chance of getting consistantly good results in a number of situations.

At the end of the day, it's the ears that matter, true. I very much doubt that a computer will ever be able to design a great loudspeaker, it is the subjective input of the great designers that make the difference.

But I can clearly show that the same speaker setup played with the correct attention to issues I raised, will offer considerable benefits over the more haphazard approach, whilst retaining the essential character of the speaker design.

Simply because one does not have the resources to address these issues, one should not dismiss their importance, and the improvement that could be gained by attending to them.

Anyway, nothing personal, I just pointed out a few important compromises that I felt you had made for the purposes of balance. After all, we can't allow forums to be used as billboards can we

 

Well, there I agree with you, merlin.

 

You are coming to me on Tuesday but I was offering to come up and sort you on Wednesday if you wanted

 

That's a very kind offer, Tom. Do you think we'll still be speaking after Tuesday?

I am free on Wednesday. We'll see how it goes. Perhaps I can leave the speakers at your place Tuesday night and bring my PC, microphone & stuff on Wednesday. Having visited your home page, I'd guess you've got a tripod that we could use for the mike. Could be fun.

 

Aha!

Found it.

The speaker I was refering to earlier was the Gershman Acoustics Opera Sauvage, reviewied in HIFI + Nov 2001.

Heres a photo of the layered construction like the 7V

Cheers
Chris

 

Looks good. The layers go vertically whereas mine go horizontally. There is a web site with good stuff on curved enclosures. It's for constructors mostly.

 

Well, I've a table top one. Big ones aren't so handy while backpacking up mountains.

 

Great link. Thanks.

One day I'l have enough time to start making speakers again. For now, I'm delighted with my Castles.

Chris

 

Is that Castle Acoustics that was born out of Wharfedale? One of their directors, John Collinson (now retired), worked with me on measuring my old System IVs. Really nice man who developed one of the first PC-based measuring systems for loudspeakers.

 

It's a deal! My rates atre highly competitive. Have you thought of putting some blue LEDs in the center of the drive units?

 

Steve you have PM mate WM