So Thorsten has broken cover ...

[anon_bb]

As I loathe cars then that is unlikely.

Dont fall for wadias trap shin!

I already have a quality system thanks for asking

 

[murray johnson]

Hi BBV,

While I like the smaller LV speakers very much, they aren't intended to reproduce the sort of SPL's you seem to need from time to time. However it is foolish of you to assess the Kondo electronics solely in that context and rather illustrates your lack of broader experience.

Coupled with a higher sensitivity speaker system, the Kondo electronics are more than capable of playing at high levels but with a clarity, tonal accuracy and dynamic capability that your Bryston electronics might only dream of.

By the way, I saw a honey badger (Rattel) once. I'm glad I was in a car. They are supposed to be one of the few animals that lions etc don't mess with and apparently have an interesting way of dealing with inquisitive humans!

 

[anon_bb]

Nonsense - I often listen at low level and I assessed the Kondo system in that context - there is no lack of broader experience muppet. I just favour different solutions to you. Horns will just make it worse. Tonal spray painting more like.

 

[Stereo Mic]

I've seen better trolling it has to be said.

Mainly from adults.

 

[sideshowbob]

Murray, you're forgetting that BBV has heard just about everything, he hangs around hifi shops a lot it seems. That's why he's a guru to so many on the forums, everyone respects his opinions. Also, you must remember that PMCs are better than anything else, and if you don't agree you're simply wrong, or the pair you heard weren't set up properly.

-- Ian

 

[penance]

Nonsense - I often listen at low level and I assessed the Kondo system in that context - there is no lack of broader experience muppet. I just favour different solutions to you. Horns will just make it worse. Tonal spray painting more like.

2/10, must try harder.
Please bring your parents to the next meeting.

 

[murray johnson]

Murray, you're forgetting that BBV has heard just about everything, he hangs around hifi shops a lot it seems. That's why he's a guru to so many on the forums, everyone respects his opinions. Also, you must remember that PMCs are better than anything else, and if you don't agree you're simply wrong, or the pair you heard weren't set up properly.

-- Ian

Hi SSB,

I suspect you're right on every count here.

 

[anon_bb]

I couldnt have put it better myself SSB.

 

[mr cat]

You have nothing remotely constructive to add, as usual.

erm, unlike yourself of course...

 

[murray johnson]

Hi BBV,

I'm interested by your experiences of listening to horn loaded speakers, particularly if they've left such a poor impression. I 've found that properly set up multiway systems using good quality compression drivers are very natural sounding if the horns themselves are of a sensible profile and are made of the right materials. Unfortunately there are only a handful of such systems in this country. Which ones have you listened to?

rgs,

Murray

 

[Paul L]

Let's stick the clash on it and hear it utterly fall apart.

The day the Clash goes on my system, whether I'm still listening to valves or not, it will utterly fall apart. I will take it all apart with a baseball bat if necessary to make the noise stop.

I know what you're getting at though. You want a system to re-create true dynamics. It all depends where you draw the line of compromise doesn't it. Haven't there already been many threads with folks debating the importance to them of preserving various aspects, tone, timbre, decay, leading edge, pitch, harmonics, 'musicality', realism etc.?

You can test a system with something other than the Clash though...

 

[bottleneck]

The day the Clash goes on my system, whether I'm still listening to valves or not, it will utterly fall apart. I will take it all apart with a baseball bat if necessary to make the noise stop.

I know what you're getting at though. You want a system to re-create true dynamics.

I doubt it.

If he wanted dynamics as a top priority he would prefer high sensitivity designs such as Living Voice speakers and horns to PMC's, not the other way round.

BBV likes his PMC's, and thats fine.

PMC's have strengths, but being highly dynamic isn't at the top of its tree.

 

[anon_bb]

Well they were more dynamic than the avantgarde duos and a custom horn build I have heard at the emporium, amongst others. I also listen to a lot of female vocal, world music and classical - all of which require other qualities than just dynamics and brute force. The pmcs were ahead in this area too - lucidity, detail transparency and overall resemblence to the real life experience.

Paul - you are exactly right, what you buy depends on budget, musical tastes and which compromises you are prepared to accept. If you dont listen to rock then any sme can be fine - even highly desirable. But for rock - forget it.

 

[sideshowbob]

If you dont listen to rock then any sme can be fine - even highly desirable. But for rock - forget it.

This is just silly. I listen to all kinds of unholy racket, and my experience of SME decks tells me they're just fine with all of it, they're very high quality and neutral TTs.

Bottleneck is spot on about dynamics too.

-- Ian

 

[anon_bb]

Fine is always relative. Until you hear it done properly.

 

[Markus S]

Exactly. You should try a Verdier one of these days.

 

[anon_bb]

Does it rock?

 

[anon_bb]

How are you finding the tvc?

 

[sideshowbob]

A Verdier into Altecs or a Brinkmann into PMCs. No contest really, Markus wins. Likewise an SME 20 into JBLs.

-- Ian

 

[anon_bb]

Nonsense.