Top mastering engineers views on monitors

Hey Paul,

This is becoming mildly unseemly.

I'm simply not interested in having a peeing contest with you or anyone else, remember apples & oranges? I'm more than happy with the Naim/Linn/ATC gear, and your Bow/ART stuff is very stylish-looking, but not really my bag, tbh. It appeals visually, and that's about it. But who cares what I think?

The reason I'm getting more Mana is that the system has always improved after adding more Mana in the past, and I'm guessing that this trend will continue.

Cheers.

 

Paul,
Thats an easy one ME :drum: "Animal" was modelled on moi a very close second Cozy Powell (God rest his soul)

 

James I'm not having a peeing contest with you, as I've stated my system may be the most innacurate around, but that doesn't bother me as I like how it goes about playing music, next time you come over we can just do some listening and I'll chose me fav stuff. Your posts come across as if you have all the answers, and maybe you do, but what you have to understand is that some people ask different questions than you do. You have an opinion, but you state it as fact, in your mind yes, but others disagree, this does not make them wrong, just different, by all means suggest mana, but it is not the universal answer, works for you but, not for others, this also does not make these people wrong, they just want something different. And now you are getting defensive, when there really is no need, I like your company and I like yer system, but if it was a perfect as you state, and you really had found the answer, then I surely would have preffered your kit to mine, traded it all in and bought what you have, so comes back to subjectivism, IMHO.

Paul

 

I'm not getting defensive, I really don't mind that you prefer your system, why should I mind, really?

I do think Mana is the universal solution, but as I said before, who cares what I think?

Yes, I enjoy your company too, will look forward to another sesh at your place when I get back.

Off for dinner, see you later.

 

So gone on then "will you dance with the devil"?

I used to play as a teenager, best description of Drummers:- "guys that like to hang around with musicians.

Oh and Neil Peart is the best. and that's the law.

 

Nah, wrong, Bill Bruford is far and away the best

 

Oh, come off it you lot, it's Elvin Jones of course.

-- Ian

 

Bill bruford's not in the same league, but I still think he's great espesially his Earthworks stuff. Billy Cobham is prolly my 3rd, although not so keen on his music if you know what I mean, have to be in the mood for it, I'm kinda into the syncopated drummer stuff, the kind that was pioneered by Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa, cobham 3rd behind Buddy, and Neil, but Neil Peart is defo the best so there.

 

For someone more up to date, how about Terry Bozzio?

 

Hi,

Tony Thompson (Chic, Power station & Led Zepplin, etc)

John 'Jabo' Starks (Bobby Bland, James Brown, JBs etc)

Cylde Stubblefield (James Brown, JBs, etc)

All these have made their make on popular music & are top notch drummers. Put these in the hat for best drummers.


SCIDB

 

Mind you André Arpino is a pretty impressive jazz drummer and then there's Karl Palmer

 

I'd put in Hunt Sales for sheer emotion drumming and sharp sound.

 

Dave Weckl, Airto Moreira, Will Calhoun, Vinnie Colaiuta, Dennis Chambers, Neil Peart, Nicko McBrain..

The list is endless..

GTM

 

I would go with Billy Cobham but no one has mentioned Steve Gadd. And I am pleased that no one mentioned Phil C!

 

This is really tedious. Why can't we talk some more about ATCs and Mana?

 

Alex,

Atc's, mana and Tedious, totally synonymous with one another really

 

Mostly perc. as it happens (often playing along with Billy C. on drums)...
My list:
Tony Allen - polyrhythmic drummer who worked for the late Fela Kuti.
Max Roach - polyrhythmic jazz drummer who worked with Sonny Rollins
Tony Williams - played in Miles' last great quintet, was taught by
Alan Dawson - who played in Booker Ervin and Jaki Byards' 60s groups, and was Tony's teacher
Elvin Jones - influenced and was influenced by the two above, but above all a unqiue and powerful voice. The only man capable of really playing with JC (IMHO)
Roy Haynes - probably the best drummer I've ever heard. This ocotgenerian swings, does the metronomic call/response thing and yet always keeps it funky and swinging. Lots of drummers can play 19/8 or whatever, but none can keep it tight and loose like Roy Haynes.
Sorry to be so boring. Back to the stand/speaker wars, eh.

 

Good list, but you left out Dannie Richmond, Mingus's drummer during the great man's prime.

Of more recent players, hugely impressed by Hamid Drake, who drums with just about everybody (Brotzmann, Evan Parker, William Parker, David Ware, etc etc), then of the 60s free jazz generation there's Sunny Murray (still playing, still awe-inspiring, incredible energy and power), Tony Oxley ("the greatest drummer on the planet" according to Cecil Taylor), and Eddie Prevost of AMM (great to watch live, he rarely plays his drum kit but he always gets terrific noises out of it).

-- Ian

 

I'll give you Dannie. If he was good enough for Mingus, he was godlike for mere mortals.
IF Cecil recommends someone, does that mean the person in question has no sense of rhythm
Hamid Drake is very good indeed.
I shouldn't have left out Fred Below, either. He more or less defined the Chicago blues drumming style (he started out as a jazz drummer, influenced by people such as... Roy Haynes). Many of the really great Chicago blues cuts from the 50s feature Louis on drums doing his jazz-rock thing in the company of fellow Aces Dave and Louis Myers.