Worst drivers are BMW drivers

The Devil said:
There is no way that any bike can pull more g through a corner than a 328i. Not enough rubber, so not enough grip. Bikers who want to race do it in a straight line.
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I have a mental picture of an insecure middle aged man acting the Hoon* in his "hot" Beemer at any given chance. Bit sad really.

* see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoon
 
Well, if that's the sort of thing which keeps you happy...I note that the Subaru Impreza WRX is mentioned by name in your Wikipedia article about "hoon", but no BMWs.

What I'm saying is based on experience of what tailgating motorbicyclists tend to do when a corner looms ahead. They tend to slow down and drop back.

I would have thought almost any road car could pull more lateral g in a corner than almost any motorbicycle.
 
The WRX is very much a hoon car.

When they were released in Oz, they were getting stolen at an alarming rate to be used as getaway cars. The police pursuit cars couldn't catch them. Police weren't allowed to buy WRX's as pursuit cars as they didn't come with an auto gearbox option (all Oz police cars are autos) so Subaru did a special run with auto boxes just for the coppers.

You're still a hoon though, admit it?
 
Not even this activity...

"Hoon-ing can also include ...attempts to 'pick-up' fellow cruisers of the opposite sex"




ps. only kidding:D
 
Me too!

My hooning days ended when I sold my seriously modded Starion in '93. One of the reasons was the release of the WRX, got sick of getting my arse whipped.:banana:
 
The Devil said:
Well, if I was in the market for a spartan rally car, which I'm not, I'd take the Evo over the Subaru. A Caterham would be better than either, though.
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The Evo is a superior machine to the subaru and that goes for any given production year. I just can't get around the fact that I think they're all less good looking.

Why do they have a habit of going backwards through hedges?
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My guess is an interation of car/driver limitations. Like any car, you drive within your own limitations and know what the car can and cannot do. Don't follow those rules and you'll very likely end up in a hedge, on the roof or dead in any car.
 
The Devil said:
By contrast, Mr Shinpads fits the definition almost exactly, telling his tales of dicing with Porsches, and driving a stereotypical Jap Import, as he does.
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:)

You'll also note that in my 'tales' I was quite clear in just who thought they had to prove something initially. The point was that some middle aged men in expensive motors have inadequacy issue's that make them challenge other cars regarded as 'fast'. I take great pleasure in making them feel small should they decide to try it on. Make no mistake that I don't go looking for that, if I drive fast its of my own accord and for pleasure, not to impress or prove anything unlike the middle aged donks or the boy racers with 19" wheels, subs and a lead foot.

Despite your insistance that the 328i is a fast car, the fact remains that the 328i is chaff to the 305 break Subaru. You know it, I know it and so does everyone else. For some reason you feel the need to protest that BM is some superbike challenger in order to make you feel good about what is just a luxury automobile with go faster stripes.

I'm a bit more realistic and honest - the subura gets hammered by superbikes. Which makes me question your 'look at me, I win superbikes' attitude.

Your attitudes regarding audio are a similar story ie. what you own is best.
 
the reason the scooby gets all the attention is that it's got that exhaust note - sounds visceral whereas the evo jsut sounds like a car.

personally i believe you should act as immaturely as you can when the occasion demands and no one else is going to get hurt.
 
ShinOBIWAN said:
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Despite your insistance that the 328i is a fast car, the fact remains that the 328i is chaff to the 305 break Subaru. .
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Of course it's a faster car.

It's also a very different type of car.

A BMW (like a mercedez, audi, jaguar, lexus etc) is an everyday car suitable for business miles, commuting, family travel etc.

I wouldn't like to do any of those activities in an Imprezza (or evo), which is why I don't own one.

My little boy would be impressed by the acceleration and go faster stripes, and he'll probably lust after one like mad when he's 16..
 
Exactly. I considered the Subaru, along with some other cars, including a Porsche, before I bought the BMW. Yes, great for 5 minutes or so, but an ownership proposition? No, at least, not for me.

I think it's a car with an image problem, along with dreadful "styling", a crashy, uncomfortable ride, odd steering (who really needs four-wheel drive?) and a really low-rent interior.
 
The Devil said:
What I'm saying is based on experience of what tailgating motorbicyclists tend to do when a corner looms ahead. They tend to slow down and drop back.

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Probably fair comment, but i would argue that they are more than likely born agains. The 40 something brigade that have just got to get a bike to regain their youth. They dont know how to ride, hence tail gate and fall back at corners. Straight line hero's.

I have only ever ridden bikes, I dont drive. 11 years courier experience and "hooning". The last time a car taught me a lesson was on my Z650 (1978 vintage), that was over 8 years ago.
 
GTM said:
I view them in pretty much the same way as I view a Clio 192 etc.


GTM
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What you mean loads of fun for small money? If not I suspect you need to test drive one.
 
Right you bunch of nancy boys.

I bet the factory fitted ICE system in my Volvo S60 (diesel :yikes:) would wipe the floor with the tinny factory gear in your WRX or Beemer.

Also, my seats are the best thing this side of a DFS store.

(it handles like a pile of s**t but I'm on the Motorway 90% of the time so who needs cornering potential)
 
The Devil said:
Your attitude strikes me as exactly that of someone with "something to prove". How do you know the guy in the Boxter wasn't simply in a hurry? How do you know he "felt small". It's much more likely that he thought you were a bit of a whatsit.

I guess it was a 'had to be there' thing. Take the politicians line if you like but the guy was looking to solve his hair loss problems.

The 328i is no slouch, but I have not attempted to suggest that it is as fast as a Subaru. I personally think it's more rewarding to drive than the Subaru, which I found rather tiresome, but that's a matter of opinion. I haven't said that the BMW is a "superbike challenger", just that it can corner faster than motorbikes can, which is indisputably true.
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Yeah the 328i is on a par with the '03 911 Turbo in both road holding characteristics and handling. Take a look at that comedy Clarkson video again. Just how much quicker was that car than the bike and also just how many times did the bike lift off the power because he had a great huge car swinging around in front of him.

Just because you've shown a video doesn't mean you compare either your car, your driving skills or the bike to anything you might have seen in that said dubious video. Clarkson is a nob at the best of times and loves to prove his own narrow mindedness. Check out the real results -lap times- and you'll see that the quickest result of the day was indeed a bike.

You've been deliberately vague in your description of your epic tussle with this bike, so come on please enlighten us about the bike, the road conditions and whether you had been smoking drugs.

In your haste to follow me around this forum trying to put me down and wave your (pretty small) willy about, you reveal personality traits about yourself at every turn, not one of which is particularly likeable, so far.
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Twisted dude, your just twisted.
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