zerogain name change -hi fi rage

Not quite the true picture Dev, because the whole debate begins from a one sided view.

The objectivists actively invade our pleasures in the hobby without an invitation to begin with and without any measure of respect for our views - they are RIGHT from the starting gun each and every time, followed by endless intransigence thereafter. When they start throwing words like "delusional" into their armoury then that is I say offensive and any right minded person will be offended when their own perceptions are telling them otherwise in a tangible, consistent and repeatable manner, hence the justified retaliation. It wouldn't be half so bad if there was a grain of truth in what they say and can prove it, but it's being used in an adversarial manner to bolster their own misguided point of view and not in a constructive manner to further the debate, so we can see right through the charade.

If that wasn't bad enough, then we get assaulted with accusations of seeing fairies at the end of the garden, sighting apparitions and ghosts, believing in weird religions, dancing goblins, healing with bits of twig and numerous other irrelevant insults from people that are allegedly "intelligent". You may think you know much in your chosen fields, but you know absolutely NOTHING whatsoever about the mindset of other people.

The subjectivists on the other hand have a very relaxed approach and say "Try it, if it's not for you then fine". No pressure, no obligations, there are more than enough dealers and vendors who will let you try it at home for you to decide at your leisure, no penalties either if you decide it isn't for you.

We are pure subjectivists enjoying a purely subjective hobby which I feel has no real place for tightwad narrow minded miserable measurement crazed loonies taking out their own personal issues on those that have but this one innocent pleasure in life because you are ruining it slowly. If you want to measure and test everything to death then that is your prerogative to do so, but do it in private, be smug about it in private and don't get on your soapbox and preach about it's the one and only righteous path for us all to tread.

 

Well put, Antonio, now all you have to do is practise what you preach

 

I do, its you guys from group 1. that dont...

You liked my tongue in cheek comment...

 

tut tut.....temper....

get your facts right platalloy is just a made name like ford escort , or isolda.

There are of course no isolda's in isolda cable in the same way there are no platalloy's in the platalloy cable as its just a name ...

do you get it now or do I have to spell it out in single syllable words

townsend isoda now that's a very good cable with a clear sonic advantage over a great many cables on the market ....

I find it very difficult to understand why have you gone to the great expense of using this, if all cables sound the same .... as you have told everyone ad naseum. Either you believe what you say ie any old bit of wire will do or you don't believe your own "facts" and have bought a sector leader at considerable expence just to make certain incase the cable huggers are right .

Sorry does not add up from which ever way you look at it imo...

Oh... and at least you've got the bottle to the forum what your using..unlike mosfet !

 

M'Lud, I rest my case..

Oops! Sorry, I thought it was the usual foot-in-mouth disease.

 

Thats Mic's...

 

Absolutely. It's hopeless junk that anyone with half a brain can hear is utterly overrated

 

MJ absolutely that has just been 'proved' on this very forum!

 

Keith. I like those cables & the cartridges, pre-amps etc. All undoubtedly based on foo foo However I'm sure what they really do must be measurable and may not even be 'correct' but I'm not really that bothered. It works for me. If & when I find something that I prefer I'd have no compunction about changing. It just hasn't happened yet.

 

Ok, pick a side, any side...
BEDEVERE:
Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2:
Burn!
VILLAGER #1:
Burn!
CROWD:
Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
BEDEVERE:
And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1:
More witches!
VILLAGER #3:
Shh!
VILLAGER #2:
Wood!
BEDEVERE:
So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3:
B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE:
Good! Heh heh.
CROWD:
Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE:
So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1:
Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE:
Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1:
Oh, yeah.
RANDOM:
Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...
BEDEVERE:
Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1:
No. No.
VILLAGER #2:
No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1:
Throw her into the pond!
CROWD:
The pond! Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE:
What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1:
Bread!
VILLAGER #2:
Apples!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1:
Cider!
VILLAGER #2:
Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1:
Cherries!
VILLAGER #2:
Mud!
VILLAGER #3:
Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2:
Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR:
A duck!
CROWD:
Oooh.
BEDEVERE:
Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1:
If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE:
And therefore?
VILLAGER #2:
A witch!
VILLAGER #1:
A witch!
CROWD:
A witch! A witch!...

 

In a system context it's nothing. Every year I get a new set and sell on the other - making a healthy profit every time. After six years, I think my current runs actually stand me in a minus £140 - so very cheap indeed. Sorry to upset you guys.

And it sounds different anyway. It also measures differently. This is a problem that some (not you BTW) don't seem to be able to understand. Measure different = possibly sound different. Measure same = sound same. Simple enough?

So Zanash, going to provide this cable for testing then or continue wasting bandwidth?

 

Mike, are there not cheaper cables available, with good quality connectors, that measure similarly or equally to the Isolda?

David.

 

Thank you for clearing that up for us. Despite the fact that there are a massive number of variables in something as simple as using a cable and that we have very little understanding of the complexities of the interactions between components and cables, let alone having the ability to thoroughly test them you can still absolutely definitely state:

"Measure different = possibly sound different. Measure same = sound same. Simple enough?"

Have you ever considered working for NASA because that is where all the brilliant scientists work?

For the record, I don't care how a cable measures (or any of my hifi for that matter); all I care about is how it sounds to me.

Ian

 

maybe - but if he likes them, then why sell?

 

Yes I suspect there are but none that I can turn such a nice profit on

 

Sorry Ian but this is a classic example of what I and others are trying to correct.

For the umteenth time, there's no evidence of any of these "massive number of variables" that you talk about, if there were it might be worth investigating. It seems if the subjective boys can get that into their heads it helps them understand the rest.

And in closing, the classice subjective response. If all you care about is how it sounds to you (As I do I might add) then come and take a blind test of two electrically similar cables and tell the forum which you prefer the sound of.

 

If you like the sound of a particular cable ,Mike can supply it, from stock.

 

What does that mean Keith?

 

Mike, Hi.

Strange, you feel the need to make money selling what many would consider to be an unnecessarily expensive and exotic cable, Isolda, as you do not appear to be that poor.

Even though you claim to make a healthy profit on it, I find it rather baffling that you would even touch, let alone use such an expensive cable yourself, bearing in mind your entrenched position on ZG.

Surely, as a matter of principle, wouldn't it be more appropriate to use something cheaper, which measures similarly? You'd make even MORE profit selling the Isolda unused, I'd presume.

Why use it when you firmly believe that that the sale and use of expensive cables is a joke and scam, on the level of divining rods?

 

That's hypocrisy Mike.