Cable directionality & cables

ok its listening experiance ya want,try having 32+ channels coming in at ya and somfings "booming" my hand natruly grabs the correct channel and backs off the gain/bass/phase reverse/ whatever,or speaker stack 2 is 8 ms behind stack 5,mmm lets add a bit more delay ,but its already automaticly been set by the equipment. 20+ years of mixing live sound and yet i cant detect when a cable from my cd player is around the wrong way?

 

Ok, dude........but if 'cable directionality' was measurable, would you then believe it exists even though you couldn't hear the effect yourself?

 

...if 'cable directionality' was measurable...

If it was, then it would have been measured by now. The fact that it can't be measured implies that either it is literally negligible (i.e. does not exist for any practical purposes) or that it actually doesn't exist at all.

I know that your next argument will go along the lines of 'But current science can't explain everything', implying that some future scientific breakthrough will prove you right.

We've been here before elsewhere, Mr Bennett. It's nonsense, as before.

 

richard + judy know on chan 4
ok sorry for the strange post,but they tested 3 diffrent types of orange drink on the public.By far the most popular was beccsfix or something simlar,however all 3 samples came from the same bottle

 

Actually, the scientific explanation for directionality is contained in my first post of this thread. It is a psychological phenomenon brought on in suggestible individuals by the power of suggestion.

 

Where's Lawrie when you need a good dose of DBT & Blue curtains to liven things up Dudesters
FWIW I agree with Julain, however, apprantly were'll all adults, so it shouldn't be beyond the bounds of reality to agree to disagree, I'm even putting the works 64 back in my system for a week, on my (addmittedly warmed up tosch 330) full tossed linked up and a Belcanto Pre 1, (van damme starquad to) so I can savour what I've been missing and will report back next monday, on stock mains cables too (no mains doo hickies either), problem is I rather do enjoy my system, so well see if I can be *converted* to the :mana: I'm preparing to be dazzled
If so Then watch the buy & sell section next week

 

That's all fine and dandy, muchacho......................but the point I was makin' was that not everything in hi-fi is feckin' measurable with electronic devices....................
For example, when yer auditioning what gear to buy, how do ya "measure" what sounds best? Do ya need a readout on a scientific device to tell ya?
Dude, some things in hi-fi (and elsewhere) are discovered only by listening, and also by havin' the necessary knowledge and experience to know what to listen for...................as demonstrated in yer tale about mitral stenosis...............................

 

Kirk, we've covered this a lot recently.

Here's an example (a l-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g thread):

https://www.audio-forums.com/as-rediect/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2682

-- Ian

 

Cheers, Ian. I'll av a read........................

 

What isn't measurable (that actually exists)?

I never audition, I buy blind ;-)

This is just so Stallionesque. Is this a wind-up, or are you Stallion?

 

Wow.........................just read through that whole thread.
My fav bits, for different reasons:

Ian said:

Joel said:

Paul Ranson said:

Michael said:

Lots of good stuff in there!

 

The Devil said

Differences in sound between different makes of gear, and cables, dude. Ya use yer ears for that, not some scientific device.

Muhahahaha!! You're not serious are you, muchacho? Only the madest of mad muthas would do that......................................

Stallion, who he? Dude, I'm only usin' your example of the murmur thingy to show that the same principle can also be applied to hi-fi.

 

Genuine question here. Does anyone know if a beat tone shows up on a measurement as the percieved tone or as just the original two frequencies?

 

Has any one looked an an analogue output signal, as a scope pattern and care to explain it fully ?
I do look at them every day, and it facasinates me, play a track the whole way through, can't keep your eyes off the scope eh?, but what does it mean ???
I can't say for sure, but I like the music being played? any similarities here? just a thought. Wm

 

its the freaky patterns dude!

there ya go, glass of red and a bag of the damns finest - best upgrade ever

 

Good point, WM. Feckin' measurements and readouts belong in a science lab, not at home when yer listenin' to music...............unless yer munchin' yer way through bags of the finest magic fungi ever plucked from the public parks of Merseyside ......dude, only then is de visual stimulus necessary to complete da hallucinogenic musical experience Soreee, muchacho, kinda off my head today because it's Tuesday and the manager is on his day off

 

Can I contribute this Haiku (well Haiku-ish)?

Beautiful weather
Hail bouncing on the grass
Listen to music

 

You have such an easy life Steve don't you

 

To get a beat you need a non-linearity, it's a distortion product and can be measured. It's a bit tricky if the non-linearity is in your ears of course.

To look at an absurd example this is how radio works and we can certainly both hear and measure the audio that results.

Paul

 

If you don't know what it means why bother looking in the first place?