Cable directionality & cables

ok its listening experiance ya want,try having 32+ channels coming in at ya and somfings "booming" my hand natruly grabs the correct channel and backs off the gain/bass/phase reverse/ whatever,or speaker stack 2 is 8 ms behind stack 5,mmm lets add a bit more delay ,but its already automaticly been set by the equipment. 20+ years of mixing live sound and yet i cant detect when a cable from my cd player is around the wrong way?
 
Originally posted by The Devil
Whilst I accept that you cannot prove a negative... The difference is that there is absolutely no reason to believe that the alleged phenomenon of 'cable directionality' exists, because there is absolutely no evidence in support of it.

By contrast, the murmur of mitral stenosis can be recorded and displayed on a phonocardiogram, for instance.
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Ok, dude........but if 'cable directionality' was measurable, would you then believe it exists even though you couldn't hear the effect yourself?
 
...if 'cable directionality' was measurable...

If it was, then it would have been measured by now. The fact that it can't be measured implies that either it is literally negligible (i.e. does not exist for any practical purposes) or that it actually doesn't exist at all.

I know that your next argument will go along the lines of 'But current science can't explain everything', implying that some future scientific breakthrough will prove you right.

We've been here before elsewhere, Mr Bennett. It's nonsense, as before.
 
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richard + judy know on chan 4
ok sorry for the strange post,but they tested 3 diffrent types of orange drink on the public.By far the most popular was beccsfix or something simlar,however all 3 samples came from the same bottle
 
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Actually, the scientific explanation for directionality is contained in my first post of this thread. It is a psychological phenomenon brought on in suggestible individuals by the power of suggestion. :)
 
Where's Lawrie when you need a good dose of DBT & Blue curtains to liven things up Dudesters :(
FWIW I agree with Julain, however, apprantly were'll all adults, so it shouldn't be beyond the bounds of reality to agree to disagree, I'm even putting the works 64 back in my system for a week, on my (addmittedly warmed up tosch 330) full tossed linked up :) and a Belcanto Pre 1, (van damme starquad to) so I can savour what I've been missing and will report back next monday, on stock mains cables too (no mains doo hickies either), problem is I rather do enjoy my system, so well see if I can be *converted* to the :mana: I'm preparing to be dazzled :)
If so Then watch the buy & sell section next week :D
 
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Originally posted by The Devil
...if 'cable directionality' was measurable...

If it was, then it would have been measured by now. The fact that it can't be measured implies that either it is literally negligible (i.e. does not exist for any practical purposes) or that it actually doesn't exist at all.
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That's all fine and dandy, muchacho......................but the point I was makin' was that not everything in hi-fi is feckin' measurable with electronic devices....................
For example, when yer auditioning what gear to buy, how do ya "measure" what sounds best? Do ya need a readout on a scientific device to tell ya?
Dude, some things in hi-fi (and elsewhere) are discovered only by listening, and also by havin' the necessary knowledge and experience to know what to listen for...................as demonstrated in yer tale about mitral stenosis...............................:)
 
Originally posted by someone very like Stallion
...not everything in hi-fi is feckin' measurable with electronic devices
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What isn't measurable (that actually exists)?
For example, when yer auditioning what gear to buy, how do ya "measure" what sounds best? Do ya need a readout on a scientific device to tell ya?
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I never audition, I buy blind ;-)
some things in hi-fi (and elsewhere) are discovered only by listening, and also by havin' the necessary knowledge and experience to know what to listen for
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This is just so Stallionesque. Is this a wind-up, or are you Stallion?
 
Wow.........................just read through that whole thread.
My fav bits, for different reasons:

Ian said:
Audiophilia isn't all about the music, let's not forget. We're all gadget-heads who also love music, we like nice expensive toys and we might as well be honest about it. Someone like Merlin, who changes his system more often than his underpants, is an extreme case, but virtually all of us have a similar mindset, regardless of how much we may protest that it's all about the music. That's why we hang around on hi-fi fora, discussing preferences in consumer electronics
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Joel said:
Well, one could be sceptical about a process that required listening at least 16 times to something.
This "statistical" approach does rather seem to fail to take into account human boredom and impatience, in fact it seems to quite ignore human psychology or physiology.
I would suggest that most of us are unlikely to be capable of sustaining either the concentration or interest necessary for this approach to be genuinely successful.
In addition, it has been mentioned in various places that our aural memory is very short. If this is the case, what exactly are we comparing to what?
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Paul Ranson said:
Because documented reality is that in a sighted hifi evaluation you are using every sense. And there is good evidence that your ears get a very low priority. If you trusted your ears then you would listen 'blind', paying attention to levels etc. And wouldn't be so averse to the idea, however hard it is to actually do
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Michael said:
Most of us are not interested in double blind testing and we've all heard differences that are significant enough to be beyond question and that any of us would tell apart 100% of the time in any "scientific" test.
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Lots of good stuff in there!
 
The Devil said
What isn't measurable (that actually exists)?
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Differences in sound between different makes of gear, and cables, dude. Ya use yer ears for that, not some scientific device.

I never audition, I buy blind ;-)
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Muhahahaha!! You're not serious are you, muchacho? Only the madest of mad muthas would do that......................................

This is just so Stallionesque. Is this a wind-up, or are you Stallion?
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Stallion, who he? Dude, I'm only usin' your example of the murmur thingy to show that the same principle can also be applied to hi-fi.
 
Originally posted by The Devil
What isn't measurable (that actually exists)?
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Genuine question here. Does anyone know if a beat tone shows up on a measurement as the percieved tone or as just the original two frequencies?
 
Has any one looked an an analogue output signal, as a scope pattern and care to explain it fully ?
I do look at them every day, and it facasinates me, play a track the whole way through, can't keep your eyes off the scope eh?, but what does it mean ???
I can't say for sure, but I like the music being played? any similarities here? just a thought. Wm
 
Good point, WM. Feckin' measurements and readouts belong in a science lab, not at home when yer listenin' to music...............unless yer munchin' yer way through bags of the finest magic fungi ever plucked from the public parks of Merseyside:D ......dude, only then is de visual stimulus necessary to complete da hallucinogenic musical experience;) Soreee, muchacho, kinda off my head today because it's Tuesday and the manager is on his day off:D
 
Genuine question here. Does anyone know if a beat tone shows up on a measurement as the percieved tone or as just the original two frequencies?
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To get a beat you need a non-linearity, it's a distortion product and can be measured. It's a bit tricky if the non-linearity is in your ears of course.

To look at an absurd example this is how radio works and we can certainly both hear and measure the audio that results.

Paul
 
Originally posted by wadia-miester

I do look at them every day, and it facasinates me, play a track the whole way through, can't keep your eyes off the scope eh?, but what does it mean ???
I can't say for sure, but I like the music being played? any similarities here? just a thought. Wm
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If you don't know what it means why bother looking in the first place?
 

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