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bottleneck said:
well, I know that both myself and Stereo Mic have done both careful speaker positioning, and then gone the whole hog and used the full, complete (non-shareware!!!- important) version of 'CARA' to model the room, and ensure exactly the right speaker placement, to within milimetres of where the speaker should be.

Having done that, I know that I (and SM) have both tried quite a few brands of IC, speaker cables, and power cables.
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and you couldnt hear a difference ?

quite odd really when I can spot differences in my setup and mine costs a fraction of what yours costs.

if someone was to come and change my speaker cables without me knowing , I would be able to tell something was different or wrong. Usually its in the subtle details of background percusion, how forward the vocals sit in the mix or how the instruments seperate.

each to their own I guess
 
Wickfut said:
and you couldnt hear a difference ?
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Well, 90% (roughly!!) of them sound identical to me. Perhaps 1 in 10 sounds different (not better, not worse, just marginally different).

To me, this shows that 9/10 (again approx) are well made cables, with good construction, and appropriate LCR, and occasionally one is not.

As you say though, each to their own. Don't personally want a cable arguement :)
 
sq16.99

whats your problem ?

learn to read.

i know how cable transmission works , its you that seems to be supporting the voodoo boys , not me.


regards.

darryl.
 
Wickfut said:
and you couldnt hear a difference ?
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I used to hear differences when I thought I should. Once I understood the science and trusted my ears and not my eyes, these differences disappeared. As logic suggests that they would.
 
I think its partly laziness. Improving a system can be hard work. Its tempting to believe just connecting in a new cable can solve all your ills. All you have to do is just pay the money and swap it in easy peasy. You are paying for piece of mind. Even if it makes no difference it takes the purchase insecurity away and allows anyone to have something new to lord it over their compatriots for little effort except expense.
 
Wickfut said:
how many cable non-believers have actually took the time to set their speakers up perfectly for 3d imaging and then had a good sit down with a few different brands of ICs and speaker cables ?
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Me, sir. No difference whatsoever (and one test was a Nordost Red Dawn v. a cheapie that came with a Japanese cassette recorder). Potential money waste saved. Very pleased.
 
sq225917 said:
eed up the internet would me if SM didn't waste so much bandwidth with his endless anti cable rants.
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I wouldn't need to if nutjobs didn't post fairy tales of cosmic redemption and foo foo dust.

Actually, you will find nutjobs waste far more bandwidth on audio forums than any single normal person could possibly manage.
 
daryl, nothing wrong with my reading.

but you seemed to totally miss the point that in IT they have a range of cable specifications to ensure the cables meet the requirements of data transmission.

maybe they are onto something and cable quality affects signal transmission? what do you think?

I doubt very much if silver cables would speed up signal transmission on the internet, do you think it would be faster than the optical backbone?


come one Mic, everyone knows it's kids downloading that kills the internet, not our combined double digit KB text posts...
 
DavidF said:
Just thinking thats an interesting statement.

I don't think ANYBODY body knows EVERYTHING Mike??
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But I think the point is enough is known about this subject to say the science can be understood.
 
what do think manufacturers do when they spec the electrical inputs and outputs of gear ?
it is precisely the same as why cat 5 is good for networking , because it means you dont need fairy dust and platinum wrapped in spider silk with cork plugs etc.

you agree with me no ?
 
Look at the frequency of audio v fibre or giga network IT. Also consider analog v digital. Finally observe how much IT cables cost.
 
brizonbiovizier said:
Look at the frequency of audio v fibre or giga network IT. Also consider analog v digital. Finally observe how much IT cables cost.
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Data cables have computers either end to fix incorrect data with checksums etc, its a 2 way connection , if it isnt right then they send the data again.

audio cables have one shot at getting it right with no buffers and no checksums.

As for the cost.. You can buy a £20 DVD player that will play music and you can buy a £2000 cd player that plays music. They are both pretty capable of playing full frequency music but its the actual presentation of the sound which makes people choose the more expensive option .
 
At a nuch lower frequency where things behave very different. GHz v KHz.
 
so no takers for my 'music modulatedin the components by RF and EMf injected through the cables theory'is where the potential differences lie.

i thought that had legs.
 
If anyone successfully demonstrates audible differences, then we can start looking for the cause. Seems silly to start debating the reason for an unproven phenomenon - much like asking why fairies live at the bottom of the garden.
 
Stereo Mic said:
If anyone successfully demonstrates audible differences, then we can start looking for the cause. Seems silly to start debating the reason for an unproven phenomenon - much like asking why fairies live at the bottom of the garden.
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ive posted this before on another thread a while back but nobody seemed to take any notice of it...

I cant find the original link now but I read a .pdf file in which someone took a frequency response plot chart of a sweep directly from an amps output and then took the same plot at the end of 10m of speaker cable.

They used about 10 different cables of various popular brands like kimber, QED etc and discovered that the different cables changed the responses.

ALL of the cables introduced dips and peaks but these dips and peaks were in different places depending on the cable.

Some of the cables had huge suckouts and peaks of upto +-10db and thus explained the differences in presentation of different cables.

Surely someone here has the ability to redo this experiment and post their findings.

I would imagine you would need a copy of soundforge or wavelab for the graphs , a CD or source with a full frequency sweep (once again easy to produce in soundforge/wavelab) and some gubbins to connect it all together.
 
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