Julian, Don't give up just yet mate. I'm quite happy to stand up and say what I think. If someone else doesn't agree with me, well it's their cash and not mine. Still, doesn't usually help me on the Naim forums either... BTW, did you give anymore thought to selling the 82? I did get my dem of one recently against a 202. Pretty easy decision really, 82 all the way. Just waiting for some cash availability now. Being fair, I also WANT a projector after a recent dem, and that's likely to take precedence. Cheers Mike