Freezing CDs?

[DavidF]

My posts are entirely proper and not the least bit rude..

"And why do you, and the others like you, object so strenuously when your potty ideas are challenged?"


....no......right, right not in the least bit rude, I see....


(As you yourself have noted, I am not the only person to think so.)

I'm not talking about vibration, I'm talking about this freezer idea.

Re read my posts...


own quote...

"No offence to the OP but I thought the idea went out with the dodo long ago.

I'm very happy to be proved wrong though"





A slightly less hostile approach might be nice!

This forum is here for everybody.

 

[spica]

Interesting. With clear differences like those, how did you fail to score 100%?

well..it was raining out, perhaps if i would have taken/added more water to/from the bottles around the room...you never know.

Barty: thanks, the result was very good!. It being a 1960 "stereo" recording (1990 CD's), when i listened for the difference, frozen/unfrozen, i wasn't looking to hear improvement in the soundstage or concentrate on layers etc, but purely.. the music,that being why i chose this CD for the test, that the changes would only be found in the information, that the area around it wouldn't be affected, and wouldn't affect me, thus perhaps.. clouding the matter.
The sound of the Frozen CD is clearer, quicker, cleaner and freer, seemingly... the results are to be the same with other CD's, modern recordings/modern CD's/ materials ?. Meanwhile.. i've got a couple in the freeze, lets see if i can bring out those crows in (meddle P-F) Echoes..or are they electronic seagulls...?

 

[The Devil]

They are rooks.

It's just too convenient to be plausible. You are wasting electricity, IMO.

 

[Seeker_UK]

They are rooks.

And the occasional electronic "seagull" (or wrongly connected wah-wah if you prefer......)

 

[barty]

well..it was raining out, perhaps if i would have taken/added more water to/from the bottles around the room...you never know.

Barty: thanks, the result was very good!. It being a 1960 "stereo" recording (1990 CD's), when i listened for the difference, frozen/unfrozen, i wasn't looking to hear improvement in the soundstage or concentrate on layers etc, but purely.. the music,that being why i chose this CD for the test, that the changes would only be found in the information, that the area around it wouldn't be affected, and wouldn't affect me, thus perhaps.. clouding the matter.
The sound of the Frozen CD is clearer, quicker, cleaner and freer, seemingly... the results are to be the same with other CD's, modern recordings/modern CD's/ materials ?. Meanwhile.. i've got a couple in the freeze, lets see if i can bring out those crows in (meddle P-F) Echoes..or are they electronic seagulls...?

so can I foresee your whole collection going in the freezer then?

 

[D Louth 77]

Closed Minds And Closed Ears.....

They are rooks.

It's just too convenient to be plausible. You are wasting electricity, IMO.

And you are wasting your life attacking those with open minds (Deluded in your vocabulary). This Forum is for all to have a gentlemanly/womanly (if any are members and I doubt it.) to discuss things audio. It is hard to do all this when such as yourself chip in with the same old same old......

James if you think everyone bar yourself and your cronies are right and everyone else is wrong(those with open minds) why don't you go form your own forum and discuss that nothing makes a difference. Cables-NO, Isolation-NO, Mains-No, I could go on but what would the point be. It was a miracle this thread went on for 5 pages without you chipping in...your usual negativity.

Heres the thing if you have never tried anything (and you wont admit to telling us if you have...perish the thought to find out about your audio experiences...)how can you add to any of these threads. If I have no experience one way or the other or have not tried or heard a thing then I keep out of it. Why don't you try to do that yourself. But no that would ruin your fun......

Can I suggest to all forum members who can't abide James approach to posting, that you don't respond to him. Response is oxygen to his agenda.... I for one, from now on wont be...life is way to short.

I haven't heard cryo frozen anything, so I don't know if it makes a difference or not...I am skeptical, but until I hear it one way or another I will say nothing....I HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND OPEN EARS....unlike some ?

D L

 

[RobHolt]

James if you think everyone bar yourself and your cronies are right and everyone else is wrong(those with open minds) why don't you go form your own forum and discuss that nothing makes a difference. Cables-NO, Isolation-NO, Mains-No, I could go on but what would the point be. It was a miracle this thread went on for 5 pages without you chipping in...your usual negativity.

Why should he?

Plenty of things make a difference to the performance of a hi-fi system. All that James is doing (along with his conies such as myself) is warning people not to be taken in by some of the foolishness that unfortunately bloats the audio sites these days.
Usually these crackpot ideas carry a not so small price tag for the potential user, so all the more reason to be vocal in opposition.

I can do a multitude of small things to my room and system to change the performance. Move listening position by just a few inches (measurable), alter the speaker positioning by just a few degrees (measurable), alter the room furnishings (very measurable), swap out my competent SS amp for a valve one with several ohms output impedance (very measurable), use ultra-thin solid core speaker wire (measurable), change the TT mat, the bias on my tape machine ..... etc, etc.

All of that and a whole lot more will change your system, is often free of charge and is worthy of discussion.

But freezing bits of polycarbonate?
Christ, a domestic freezer doesn't even 'freeze' it for starters!
<hint - it ain't water>

Then we have the cables were, oddly enough, the claimed performance hike goes up in direct proportion to the degree by which you line the sellers pockets. Odd that

 

[spica]

Luci.... chilling is hard when it's hot in hell

Barty... Certainly a thought, though first, will try a few more of differing age/quality to see if i notice greater or lesser.. levels of change . Thanks

Seeker ... you may enjoy the vid ...seagulls.....members of corvid at around 2.28. Thanks.

 

[spica]

Robholt...or should that be "expression censor", what is it you say....
Quote" warning people not to be taken in by some of the foolishness that unfortunately bloats the audio sites these days".

"these days" ? ..i believe it that this idea has been floating for 20+ years, maybe the reason theres been no resolution to the issue is because of the kind of stick in the mud chip on the shoulder thought police scaremongering slam door life's better in a bubble of bore...dogmatic curtain twitch attitude that has "bloated the audio sites" for so long.

It's "just freezing a CD"...there is life elsewhere

 

[The Devil]

I HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND OPEN EARS....unlike some ?

Try my handstand suggestion, then. The hi-fi world seems infested with complete lunacy, and poorly-designed and executed experiments. It's the "New Age" of anti-science. There's no real evidence that putting CDs in the freezer makes any difference whatsoever, and no plausible reason why it should. Why defend silly ideas, when you can ask for proper evidence which is readily available?

If cooling CDs really makes an audible difference, then the data on the CD must have changed - easily demonstrable.

 

[Seeker_UK]

If cooling CDs really makes an audible difference, then the data on the CD must have changed - easily demonstrable.

Or there's something which has reduced the amount of reading errors.

Also measurable.

 

[DavidF]

All that James is doing (along with his conies such as myself) is warning people not to be taken in by some of the foolishness that unfortunately bloats the audio sites these days.

Unusually for you Rob .......thats nonsense.

The guy is somehow trying to belittle those with ideas other than his own.

FWIW when I first joined the forum 3/4 years ago I knew I wanted to try stuff. I'm very happy that I did....and my kit sounds miles better for it.

We've had (I'll express it politely) ...opinionated people here before......and the funniest part is they usually use all the same tackle they make all the sweeping statements about.

So I do hope people when they join now will take balanced look at the subject....and make up their own minds!

I'm not aware that any one was appointed to police the forum.

This is a forum for the exchange of ideas lets remember.

 

[zanash]

Why should he?

Plenty of things make a difference to the performance of a hi-fi system. All that James is doing (along with his conies such as myself) is warning people not to be taken in by some of the foolishness that unfortunately bloats the audio sites these days.
Usually these crackpot ideas carry a not so small price tag for the potential user, so all the more reason to be vocal in opposition.

I can do a multitude of small things to my room and system to change the performance. Move listening position by just a few inches (measurable), alter the speaker positioning by just a few degrees (measurable), alter the room furnishings (very measurable), swap out my competent SS amp for a valve one with several ohms output impedance (very measurable), use ultra-thin solid core speaker wire (measurable), change the TT mat, the bias on my tape machine ..... etc, etc.

All of that and a whole lot more will change your system, is often free of charge and is worthy of discussion.

But freezing bits of polycarbonate?
Christ, a domestic freezer doesn't even 'freeze' it for starters!
<hint - it ain't water>

Then we have the cables were, oddly enough, the claimed performance hike goes up in direct proportion to the degree by which you line the sellers pockets. Odd that

Good grief .....thats an admission in itself ........thinks can make a difference to how a hifi sounds ....

take a long hard look at robs history of posts .....whats suddenly brought you to the opinion that you can change the sound by altering things other than the system components ?


As polycarbonate is a solid ...one could suggest that its already frozen ?

Another observation .....

a ripped frozen cd sounds the same as a ripped unfrozen cd ....[as far as I can tell in my system]

If thats accurate then what ever is slightly effecting the sound its not the data on the disc ..as such ...I don't have the answers



lets tackle that last statement..........to precis it's claimed that more expensive wire sounds better than cheap wire.

what is cheap wire .....copper with a poor purity or iron or worse
whats an expensive wire ...copper with a high purity or silver or gold ..

As a experiment build a cable out of iron wire and then build one from silver ...both identical in all respects

guess which is going to sound better ...and which will cost more to make ?

Once you've answered that, its going to be as plain as the nose on your face the validity of the statement.....

 

[zanash]

anyone wanting to listen to the two cd's I used ...pm me

first come etc

it will cost you your postage .....£1.50 ish

on the one condition that you then pass the disc on to anyone else who might be interested.

you can then work out how large a difference there is for yourselves ......mind you I bet few of the descenters will leap at the offer ....

yes thats a challenge

 

[Seeker_UK]

Another observation .....

a ripped frozen cd sounds the same as a ripped unfrozen cd ....[as far as I can tell in my system]

If thats accurate then what ever is slightly effecting the sound its not the data on the disc ..as such ...I don't have the answers

A ripped CD should have had all errors on the source corrected at the rip / conversion stage.

Any subsequent playback will not have to contend with error correction and should therefore sound better than the original source.

 

[Haselsh1]

Am I to take it then from the posts on this forum that cryo valves are just another form of nonsense as cooling things down to low temperatures makes absolutely no difference whatsoever...??? I wonder what Watford Valves would say about that...?​

 

[penance]

I wonder what Watford Valves would say about that...?​

Oh shit there goes our profit??

 

[Haselsh1]

Oh shit there goes our profit??

That could indeed be true of any piece of Hi-Fi whatsoever.​

 

[tuga]

Try my handstand suggestion, then. The hi-fi world seems infested with complete lunacy, and poorly-designed and executed experiments. It's the "New Age" of anti-science. There's no real evidence that putting CDs in the freezer makes any difference whatsoever, and no plausible reason why it should. Why defend silly ideas, when you can ask for proper evidence which is readily available?

If cooling CDs really makes an audible difference, then the data on the CD must have changed - easily demonstrable.

I think that very often, just as it happens when experimenting with power cables, people are confusing changes in sound with improvements...

I will not argue that there won't be any changes (not necessarily improvements) but whatever conclusions you get from using such crude and flawed evaluation methods are next to worthless.

There's fun involved, as with most DIY, but very little seriousness.

 

[lbr]

That's an interesting point you make Tuga, but I don't think I really get it. Whether or not there's a change to the sound is an objective question of fact, but whether or not a change is an improvement is entirely subjective isn't it? I may find a change improves matters whereas you may find the same change is a backward step. I guess this goes to the question of whether we are all looking for exactly the same thing from our music reproduction (I think not).