Originally posted by merlin
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I just totted up my "hifi dealings" of the past 18 months. Seems by switching components I have made £3K
And you told me my 3K was for your deposit on a new flat![]()
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Originally posted by merlin
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I just totted up my "hifi dealings" of the past 18 months. Seems by switching components I have made £3K
And you told me my 3K was for your deposit on a new flat![]()
never trust a salesman I say![]()
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I agree they do sound better than several floorstanders (e.g. the Kef 203 that WM so religiously mistypes) - but they still don't do scale.....and thank you, but they did have a suitable amplifier, my M3Originally posted by lowrider
...still they do better than many floorstanders at the same price or higher, just read the tests, or better, listen to a pair with a suitable amplifier...![]()
Originally posted by lowrider
I have heard a few BIG speakers, Wilson, Krell, SF Stradivari, JMlabs 5'tall,, but the end result was similar to my own, give or take some quality...
And I am sure my system has absolutely nothing to do with your crappy £1.300 sub/sat...
Originally posted by Ya-Boo
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Originally posted by merlin
Can I interest you in some large speakers my boy![]()
Originally posted by GrahamN
I agree they do sound better than several floorstanders (e.g. the Kef 203 that WM so religiously mistypes) - but they still don't do scale.....and thank you, but they did have a suitable amplifier, my M3
(We are feeling crotchety today aren't we)
Originally posted by sideshowbob
The majority of big speakers aren't very good, neither are the majority of small speakers, and on the whole most sat/sub setups I've heard have been stunt-fi rather than hi-fi. Small floorstanders are generally the worst of both worlds. I hope that's enough generalisations to be going on with ;-)
My experience is certainly that orchestral scale requires big-arse speakers, or concrete monitors and enormous subs that cost an arm and a leg. Thank god I don't listen to much orchestral music.
-- Ian
Originally posted by lowrider
Who wouldnt feel crotchety having to put up with deep bass experts with 7 feet wide rooms, who wont take a different opinion/experience without stating stupid things like 30% distortion wich they have never measured,
Looks like the anti-source-first movement is gathering ground - that's two Damascene conversions in as many weeks
So you know how they sound, and can imagine what a pair of subwoofers actively crossedover can do to further improve things...
Originally posted by Robbo
I. This means that listeners like GrahamN who want their system to be able to reproduce 110db crescendos to obtain a lifelike classical music experience are going to wind up disappointed.
Originally posted by Robbo
I am still having trouble getting my original point understood. I'll try again.
Adding a pair of subs to standmounts like the EAIIs or my response 1SCs will certainly give deeper bass which can be very worthwhile (even if it is very hard to integrate them properly). However, as the small standmounters still receive the full range signal as before, and they only have small relatively low power handling drive units, the total loudness and dynamics of the system is still going to be compromised compared to a floorstander with multiple drive units. This means that listeners like GrahamN who want their system to be able to reproduce 110db crescendos to obtain a lifelike classical music experience are going to wind up disappointed.
Whatever you say, this is one of the main compromises of the mini monitor/sub filling in the bottom octaves approach. For those not looking for that full on classical (or rock) experience, this is not an issue. For others it makes this approach a non starter.
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mini monitor/sub" we are getting closer now, this terminology I like better.
Ah! Of course I forgot you are using an AV system. Filtering out below 60hz will make quite a difference to the system headroom. Enough for the likes of GrahamN? I doubt it.
In any case, I think my point is still valid as most users on this forum would only be interested in using the mini monitor/sub approach as I describe it and wouldnt want to route the precious signal through an AV processor.
As for 1SCs vs EAIIs, well yes they go louder because they are bigger However, this is really irrelevent to the discussion as IMO the whole point of the thread is to discuss why classical lovers who want that full on experience would likely prefer big speakers.
Do me a favour! Whats the cabinet volume of the Strata sub and how many drivers does it have? Now compare that to the cabinet volume of the D100s, and the bass drivers it has. There is really no comparison I am afraid. The D100s will totally destroy the Stratas.
This manifests itself by owners believing that their (often quite middle of the road) system is somehow better than anything else and cannot be beaten.
As for music through the Rels -plllllease! How do you hear a leading edge through 30% THD. I have sadly not had the opportunity to listen to your system, but those who have and have spoken with me say it's OK - nothing more.
I dont think anybody was really discussing your system apart from yourself!
I really dont understand why you are getting worked up about terminology, I was using the word satellites it to describe the function of the 1SCs when I had a sub. The word satellites has no bearing on the quality of the items used. You were again assuming that I was talking about your system and making a judgement about it. Dont worry, I'm not that interested in it, honest
Originally posted by lowrider
So on a system with Wilson Watt/Puppies plus a Watch Dog subwoofer, you would call the W/P satellites... :newbie:
Originally posted by merlin
Antonio, I'm very sorry that you seem to have been upset so much by this thread. Why not chill out and listen to some tunes (or better still watch a music DVD!)