analoguekid
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Irresistable force meets Imovable object, I think, why not agrre to disagree you 2
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julian2002
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ak,
what fun would that be?
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julian
what fun would that be?
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julian
analoguekid said:Irresistable force meets Imovable object, I think, why not agrre to disagree you 2
There is nothing to agree, until Merlin, or someone he trusts, ( :ffrc: :ffrc: :ffrc: ), listens to my system...
As for me, I have heard plenty systems, and know what I am talking about... :MILD:
Paul,
I have installed and heard many systems very similar to Antonio's and have had reports as to it's qualities. My thinking is that any setup that sounds preferable in Dolby Pro Logic is undoubtably lacking in two channel. I have also owned much of the kit he raves about - something I don't think can be said for Antonio.
Truth is, I'm sure his setup is not bad. It's just he seems to have a problem with accepting that there is better out there, and that a clear focus can help to acheive greater performance.
AV is AV. The Krell Soundstage offers the equivalent performance to their own low end preamps, which themselves are easily eclipsed for substantially less money. The less said about the subs the better really, but having owned a number in my time, I can say they are not really up to the quality of the SF's nor the BelCanto amplification.
At the end of the day, if he's happy that's all that matters.
I have installed and heard many systems very similar to Antonio's and have had reports as to it's qualities. My thinking is that any setup that sounds preferable in Dolby Pro Logic is undoubtably lacking in two channel. I have also owned much of the kit he raves about - something I don't think can be said for Antonio.
Truth is, I'm sure his setup is not bad. It's just he seems to have a problem with accepting that there is better out there, and that a clear focus can help to acheive greater performance.
AV is AV. The Krell Soundstage offers the equivalent performance to their own low end preamps, which themselves are easily eclipsed for substantially less money. The less said about the subs the better really, but having owned a number in my time, I can say they are not really up to the quality of the SF's nor the BelCanto amplification.
At the end of the day, if he's happy that's all that matters.
lordsummit
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what would I be envious of Shawn Wright Phillips made a monkey of twinkletoes in the Manchester Derby we won 4 -1, and I have a two channel system and no sub
merlin said:
Your thinking is wrong again, it wont sound good with DPLII if it doesnt sound good in two channel, then some will prefer stereo others surround, as do my guests, not to mention that it is a bit silly to have to seat on the sweet spot to listen to music properly every time, and selfish too...
merlin said:
I keep saying mine is not the best system in the world, it is you that just seem to have a problem with accepting that my system sounds good... :JPS:
merlin said:
Sound from hifi is sound from hifi, be it stereo or AV, AVs also play stereo if you didnt know...
More people like Krell than whatever your flavour of the day right now, the same for REL, what makes you think you know better...
At the end of the day, if I'm happy that's all that matters. Sure, but, this is a public forum where all share experience and personal taste, not only you, so I wont be quiet and let the newbies be fooled by just your opinion... :MILD:
lordsummit said:what would I be envious of Shawn Wright Phillips made a monkey of twinkletoes in the Manchester Derby we won 4 -1, and I have a two channel system and no sub
I am glad that is all it takes to make you happy, but other teams are in it for cups and championships, and some people enjoy life like sound from their systems, rather than thin, dull sound... :JPS:
The Devil
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You two still at it?
lowrider said:Your thinking is wrong again, it wont sound good with DPLII if it doesnt sound good in two channel, then some will prefer stereo others surround, as do my guests, not to mention that it is a bit silly to have to seat on the sweet spot to listen to music properly every time, and selfish too...
More people like Krell than whatever your flavour of the day right now, the same for REL, what makes you think you know better...
Twaddle, a good two channel setup will prove an immersive and 3 dimensional experience. A poor one will need the help of processing and additional speakers to sound good. A well setup two channel rig does not require a hot seat anymore than an AV setup does.
I rather doubt that more Krell has been sold than McIntosh, nor Rel than JBL or Velodyne, but you may have some figures to suggest the contrary. What makes me think I know better Antonio ? A point of reference I would suggest, nothing more. Afterall, Ben Nevis would seem to be the top of the world if you had never seen the Alps
The Devil
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McDonalds sell more food than Gordon Ramsey.
I think Merlin is right here, btw. We've been through the reasons why stereo is better than AV, for music, many times before. It's a question of better quality vs more quantity.
I think Merlin is right here, btw. We've been through the reasons why stereo is better than AV, for music, many times before. It's a question of better quality vs more quantity.
The Devil said:
Wrong, more quantity and more money, OK, but quality can be the same, depends on what you like and buy...
If you multiplied your setup by 2.5 the quality would be the same, just more money and some extra features that could or not interest you...
julian2002
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bub,
i know what you are saying and if you are constrained by a budget then you are correct. however if money is no object then there are certain areas where more than 2 speakers will better bog standard stereo - software not withstanding. certainly for out and out spl if you could have 5 atc 100's instead of 2 it would be 'better'.
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julian
i know what you are saying and if you are constrained by a budget then you are correct. however if money is no object then there are certain areas where more than 2 speakers will better bog standard stereo - software not withstanding. certainly for out and out spl if you could have 5 atc 100's instead of 2 it would be 'better'.
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julian
Julian,
Playing two channel would leave the other 3 ATC's acting as passive radiators. Playing two channels through 5 speakers would be a phasey mess without something like Dolby PL11 which screws the sound even on the high end processors.
Just get bigger stereo speakers rather than ending up with something rather moribund for such massive investment
Playing two channel would leave the other 3 ATC's acting as passive radiators. Playing two channels through 5 speakers would be a phasey mess without something like Dolby PL11 which screws the sound even on the high end processors.
Just get bigger stereo speakers rather than ending up with something rather moribund for such massive investment
The Devil
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Missing the point lowrider, I'm talking equivalent money, assuming the components are chosen reasonably carefully.
I don't think any 6 channel amp could be as good as a 2 channel one at the same price point.
I don't think any 6 channel amp could be as good as a 2 channel one at the same price point.
julian2002
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merlin,
could you not use 4 speakers as one of those hafler things where you cross connect bits and bobs?
why not have 2 left speakers and 2 right speakers?
my point was that if spl was the sole criteria of 'good' then 4 or 5 atc's would better 2.
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julian
could you not use 4 speakers as one of those hafler things where you cross connect bits and bobs?
why not have 2 left speakers and 2 right speakers?
my point was that if spl was the sole criteria of 'good' then 4 or 5 atc's would better 2.
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julian
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