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analoguekid
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Why are you guys constantly measuiring things.
I have no idea how much bass or volume level I am getting, Do I care? No I put on a Cd and sit back shut my eyes and smile at the music that envelopes me, I have slam imaging, detail and maybe room treatments could get me more I've no idea.
Do I have the best system in the world, prolly not, but agian I do not care, as I have the emotion, and energy flooding out my speakers at any volume, and am happy with it, but will still be open minded, I have heard Bubs rig and it was fantastic, different to mine (but not poles apart) I'd be happy with either (soundwise)as they both have allowed me to enjoy music.
Antonio I think you may be correct about Bubs system but he DOES have it in a large room with Mana and some carefully conceiled accoustic treatment, Dont't think his system would work in yours or my room, but then I think yours and Mine would sound lost in bubs large room, who cares what we have producing the sound, my amp could be powered by horse feathers for all I care as long as I like the sound it makes, it makes no difference to me how the manufacturer designed it.
I think that you should all stop picking on WM I'm sure his system sounds faqntastic, but I think he fiddles with it too often, mind you thats prollyy part of the fun, and from the tone I think that most of what he says is toungue in cheek, he knows Bub has bass he has heard it, and just to set the record straight bub has the 100's with a 12" bass driver and while maybe not going the lowest ever could never be considered bass light.
FWIW antonio I think your room looks very nice in the pictures, but you have IMO made to many concessions for the sake of aesthetics, I personally make my missus suffer for my hobby, although she doesn't complain whilst listening to her favourite tunes, but I'd never get away with all that mana, and my ceiling isn't high enough any way, Bubs gonna go phase 11 but headroom would allow him to go way past phase 40, but the floor would prolly collapse, or James would fall off ladder when changing records.
I have no idea how much bass or volume level I am getting, Do I care? No I put on a Cd and sit back shut my eyes and smile at the music that envelopes me, I have slam imaging, detail and maybe room treatments could get me more I've no idea.
Do I have the best system in the world, prolly not, but agian I do not care, as I have the emotion, and energy flooding out my speakers at any volume, and am happy with it, but will still be open minded, I have heard Bubs rig and it was fantastic, different to mine (but not poles apart) I'd be happy with either (soundwise)as they both have allowed me to enjoy music.
Antonio I think you may be correct about Bubs system but he DOES have it in a large room with Mana and some carefully conceiled accoustic treatment, Dont't think his system would work in yours or my room, but then I think yours and Mine would sound lost in bubs large room, who cares what we have producing the sound, my amp could be powered by horse feathers for all I care as long as I like the sound it makes, it makes no difference to me how the manufacturer designed it.
I think that you should all stop picking on WM I'm sure his system sounds faqntastic, but I think he fiddles with it too often, mind you thats prollyy part of the fun, and from the tone I think that most of what he says is toungue in cheek, he knows Bub has bass he has heard it, and just to set the record straight bub has the 100's with a 12" bass driver and while maybe not going the lowest ever could never be considered bass light.
FWIW antonio I think your room looks very nice in the pictures, but you have IMO made to many concessions for the sake of aesthetics, I personally make my missus suffer for my hobby, although she doesn't complain whilst listening to her favourite tunes, but I'd never get away with all that mana, and my ceiling isn't high enough any way, Bubs gonna go phase 11 but headroom would allow him to go way past phase 40, but the floor would prolly collapse, or James would fall off ladder when changing records.
analoguekid
Planet Rush
Merlin you are always com[plaining about the sound of your kit and are constantly looking to improve it hence all the kit changes.
Someone once told me after moving from a job that he liked, "you know the grass on the other side MAY be greener, but it's still grass"
Paul
Someone once told me after moving from a job that he liked, "you know the grass on the other side MAY be greener, but it's still grass"
Paul
The Devil
IHTFP
I think all this endless comparisons between systems unheard (or even heard) is a bit pointless. As I was saying to Paul the other day, I may prefer my apples to others' oranges, but it's just a preference. And I've no doubt that a smaller room would 'shut-in' the big ATCs. I don't think they'd work half as well as they do here. I am looking forward to hearing those big ART speakers, but it would be very difficult to compare them to the ATCs because of the different rooms they are in, and the different CDPs and amplifiers on the end of them.
But ATC do make smaller models, suitable, perhaps, for smaller rooms.
But ATC do make smaller models, suitable, perhaps, for smaller rooms.
Paul,
You probably noticed that I am assaulted every time I open my mouth in this forum, probably because I am different, AV, subwoofers and the lot, also usually by the same "owners of the Holly Graal", thats why I am a BIT aggressive sometimes...
As for Bub's system, active ATCs would be high in my list if I could afford a larger house, etc... Not Linn or Mana, I am affraid, wich doesnt have anything to do with sound quality, but only with looks and convenience...
I dont remember picking on WM...
That just shows what a good job me and the wife did "concealing" the ugly bits, believe me there are no concessions really, proper distance to walls and between speakers, golden ratio room, furniture that doesnt reflect, the works... :MILD:
Actually, I already have the kind of sound I wanted, could improve a bit all around, who couldnt, but it is very well balanced, ask Michaelab, there is slam, bass, detail, stage, the works, it is a wolf in sheepskin... :duck:
You probably noticed that I am assaulted every time I open my mouth in this forum, probably because I am different, AV, subwoofers and the lot, also usually by the same "owners of the Holly Graal", thats why I am a BIT aggressive sometimes...
As for Bub's system, active ATCs would be high in my list if I could afford a larger house, etc... Not Linn or Mana, I am affraid, wich doesnt have anything to do with sound quality, but only with looks and convenience...
I dont remember picking on WM...
That just shows what a good job me and the wife did "concealing" the ugly bits, believe me there are no concessions really, proper distance to walls and between speakers, golden ratio room, furniture that doesnt reflect, the works... :MILD:
Actually, I already have the kind of sound I wanted, could improve a bit all around, who couldnt, but it is very well balanced, ask Michaelab, there is slam, bass, detail, stage, the works, it is a wolf in sheepskin... :duck:
analoguekid
Planet Rush
Yeah Bub but do they do bass?
FWIW I ain't getting rid of my ART speakers, they are absolutely fantastic, as anyone who has heard a pair will agree with. Must be soething to do with the Velvet kevlar cones as they have no colouration.
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analoguekid
Planet Rush
Originally posted by lowrider
I dont remember picking on WM...
That just shows what a good job me and the wife did "concealing" the ugly bits, believe me there are no concessions really, proper distance to walls and between speakers, golden ratio room, furniture that doesnt reflect, the works... :MILD:
Actually, I already have the kind of sound I wanted, could improve a bit all around, who couldnt, but it is very well balanced, ask Michaelab, there is slam, bass, detail, stage, the works, it is a wolf in sheepskin... :duck:
Antonio
Didn't suggest you were picking on Tony you were just defending yourself, but others have.
I don't have ugly hifi so don't feel the need to hide it, and I'm with you on the quality bit, I love the sound mine makes, maybe it could be a bit better, but I am too happy enjoying it to fart around.
Ps Margaret stamped her feet when I got my JPS speaker cable as it had blue jacket, soilution nylon mesh and heatshrink, now all lovely black and shiney, oh and my rack was chosen with looks hi on the priority.
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analoguekid
Planet Rush
Who asked you ya deaf old fart
analoguekid
Planet Rush
I've just realised Merlin why you don't have a sig at the bottom like most others, is it cause no sooner than you've finished editing it, then you need to change it as you have sold and purchased something else
I actually don't have a hifi as such now , so it is possible that I am somewhat detached from the day to day willy waving that is "Zerogain".
Seriously though, the one advantage of trying lots of different approaches is that you gain a very rounded view of what you like and what you don't, rather than believing you have the best because either it plays the tune, images like a b*stard, or whatever else the brochure and forums such as this tell you.
What really threw me was spending time with Rotel and realising just how enjoyable music could be with relatively humble electronics, especially if you got the speakers right (huge!)
Sure you can do better, and if you have the disposable income to do so then good luck to you. I do feel sorry for people who spend all their spare money on hifi though.
So many people just hop on a chosen path and follow it to it's logical conclusion without thinking of varying the route occasionally. They end up locking horns with people from the different routes on forae such as this, which makes for amusing reading and gratuitous p1ss taking on a grand scale.
Seriously though, the one advantage of trying lots of different approaches is that you gain a very rounded view of what you like and what you don't, rather than believing you have the best because either it plays the tune, images like a b*stard, or whatever else the brochure and forums such as this tell you.
What really threw me was spending time with Rotel and realising just how enjoyable music could be with relatively humble electronics, especially if you got the speakers right (huge!)
Sure you can do better, and if you have the disposable income to do so then good luck to you. I do feel sorry for people who spend all their spare money on hifi though.
So many people just hop on a chosen path and follow it to it's logical conclusion without thinking of varying the route occasionally. They end up locking horns with people from the different routes on forae such as this, which makes for amusing reading and gratuitous p1ss taking on a grand scale.
analoguekid
Planet Rush
You have a point merlin, although my last setup lasted 5 years without any tinkering, replaced speakers and then replaced second set after they got damadged, I personally don't spend all spare cash on hifi and listened to a number of setups, both low and high cost, settled on the current setup as it made the type of sound I was after, would agree that you have to get speakers right, and was really only kidding regarding your sig.
Oh and my reply about you being deaf old fart, was abit unfair, you're not deaf.
Oh and my reply about you being deaf old fart, was abit unfair, you're not deaf.
Ah, I thought you were referring to WM who more accurately fits the description.
Truth is, a big Rotel power amp into some monstrous speakers will give you 80% of what we spend thousands on and probably 95% of the music.
Let's be honest here - it's all about willy waving isn't it?
wadia-miester
Mighty Rearranger
Less of the old, your in sideshow's league, well out of my range matey 
Picking on poor old moi?, you lot never
Besides, my marshal cabs goto 12
Fiddling too much eh?, remember Too much is not enough !!!
Besides if you don't try, you never learn and accumulate knowledge
If you thought I'd been off in a disinchanted mood, sorry been to source some rather nice caps for the amps, a little birdy enlightened me as to some 'slametastic' 15K 100v 10% specials they'd seen lying around, so I been an accquired some 14 per channel should do the job.
Normal service can be resumed stop.........................carry on
Picking on poor old moi?, you lot never
Besides, my marshal cabs goto 12
Fiddling too much eh?, remember Too much is not enough !!!
Besides if you don't try, you never learn and accumulate knowledge
If you thought I'd been off in a disinchanted mood, sorry been to source some rather nice caps for the amps, a little birdy enlightened me as to some 'slametastic' 15K 100v 10% specials they'd seen lying around, so I been an accquired some 14 per channel should do the job.
Normal service can be resumed stop.........................carry on
analoguekid
Planet Rush
Yeah but you are deaf, and my amps go as much as 13 (no scale you see so can pencil in whatever is louder) What amps are the caps for?
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