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You are joking, aren't you? ATC actives are used by some very prestigious people who produce very well-recorded and produced music: Pink Floyd, Chandos, etc etc.Originally posted by wadia-miester
James I wasn't suggesting you need a sub, just a a better of speakers and some decent amps
These people absolutely have to hear what is going on in the recording, and what is going on to the master tapes in the studio. Their reputation depends on it. They could use anything they liked, but they choose to use ATC monitors.
I've said it before, but the ATCs make normal domestic "audiophile" "hi-fi" speakers sound like (broken) toys.
P.S. Paul, I don't know whether anyone has tried a sub on Mana. I somehow doubt it, but you never know.
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You really have no idea do you
Originally posted by merlin
YES!
All living rooms should have a big blue pair of JBL's in the corner, a mini bar, and enough amplification to get the owner evicted.
What's the point if your hifi doesn't make you grin
I think I finally understand what is happening now. You really aspire to this look for your living room but your other half put her foot down. What is it that she said that finally convince you to agree to get those girly in-the-wall-supermarket muzac cones?
Originally posted by greg
Merlin - you should consider setting up a Roots sound system - your love seems to lie with PA equipment
Hey Greg, you may well be right, but you should know that those JBL's might look like PA speakers, but they will chew up most so called hifi without breaking a sweat.
Originally posted by lowrider
Of course, TMREQ doesnt apply, only what you have is good...
TMREQ does not apply, you are right! It was only a fancy graphic after all - more of a sales gimic than a useful tool. Listen to time domain correction - then you might have a chance of understanding the subject you are so keen to discuss
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Lowrider certainly does not have the best system in the world
The Devil
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JBL's might look like PA speakers, but they will chew up most so called hifi without breaking a sweat.
Yeah, I got the "PA" jibes from the wise Naimies on their forum - based purely on looks. These people have no idea. I bet the JBLs are great.
Yeah, I got the "PA" jibes from the wise Naimies on their forum - based purely on looks. These people have no idea. I bet the JBLs are great.
Antonio,
I have never owned anything other than an average system.
Nowadays, I realise that even that was fairly pointless and that the only thing you cannot do without is VOLUME.
Now if you could get to hear an average system such as my old ones or WM's, then I am sure you would consider the move back to two channel to ba a neccessity, and would buy some real men's speakers to replace the Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen Thumbelina 11's
I have never owned anything other than an average system.
Nowadays, I realise that even that was fairly pointless and that the only thing you cannot do without is VOLUME.
Now if you could get to hear an average system such as my old ones or WM's, then I am sure you would consider the move back to two channel to ba a neccessity, and would buy some real men's speakers to replace the Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen Thumbelina 11's
greg
Its a G thing
I wasnt jibing - the prospect of a very high quality system with PA levels of ouput and supreme foot-tappability is one thing I desire. in contrast though a system consisting more humane SPLs with imaging, presence, emotion, detail, timbre, depth, tangeability, is also something I desire equally. My comment relates to Merlin's proposal of the former rather than a balance of both. I understand his perspective, but I'm saddled with wanting both. I am increasingly feeling I need two different systems.
Greg,
if you are prepared to compromise on the imaging and "depth" perspective, you can have everything you want.
Just don't look for it in the boutique brigade's land of the power puff and italian style.
Most of music's raw power comes from the upper bass/ lower midband. Tangibility and presence comes from the mids. Recessing the mids gives you depth. Lowering the output of upper bass gives the perception of speed and detail.
Decide what qualities genuinely make you feel elated, and which make you feel smug, then choose your sword.
if you are prepared to compromise on the imaging and "depth" perspective, you can have everything you want.
Just don't look for it in the boutique brigade's land of the power puff and italian style.
Most of music's raw power comes from the upper bass/ lower midband. Tangibility and presence comes from the mids. Recessing the mids gives you depth. Lowering the output of upper bass gives the perception of speed and detail.
Decide what qualities genuinely make you feel elated, and which make you feel smug, then choose your sword.
wadia-miester
Mighty Rearranger
Yep its so bass lite, I need some 4 by 4 marshall stacks to help in the fill in 100hz catorgory oohhh woo is me. I am undone
Help is at hand, its a bird, No, it is a plane NO, its ATC man
Help is at hand, its a bird, No, it is a plane NO, its ATC man
Don't act lie a spoiled little ballet dancer WM
What I am saying is this. You have 6db per octave room gain below 150hz.
This is no longer showing up on your measurements.
This means one of two things
1. The new measurements are total bollox and were made up in an attempt to stop the repeated swipes about your bass by a certain doctor.
or
2. Your system is totally devoid of bass and when you move house, it will sound like a little pair of Thumbelina 11's powered by a Cyrus 1 via bellwire.
There are no other alternatives mate so which is it?
What I am saying is this. You have 6db per octave room gain below 150hz.
This is no longer showing up on your measurements.
This means one of two things
1. The new measurements are total bollox and were made up in an attempt to stop the repeated swipes about your bass by a certain doctor.
or
2. Your system is totally devoid of bass and when you move house, it will sound like a little pair of Thumbelina 11's powered by a Cyrus 1 via bellwire.
There are no other alternatives mate so which is it?
Markus S
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Could somone point me to those measurements? I'd like to see if this discussion is about close-proximity measurements or in-room responses.
Originally posted by merlin
....real men's speakers to replace the Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen Thumbelina 11's
I actually listened to a pair of Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen Thumbelina 11's at the Bristol Show ââ'¬â€œ they had MDF cabinets constructed by Handy Andy and then covered in dark stained bamboo. The matching back-lit, water-filled acrylic stands were interesting to say the least.
Sound wise they weren't too bad but had little bass to speak of. Llewelyn-Bowen plans to address this shortcoming by designing a subwoofer ââ'¬â€œ he had no tech specs for this but said it would be finished with driftwood sides and with pebbles on the top.
Matt.
wadia-miester
Mighty Rearranger
Merlin,
For you, it must be both 1 + 2 My bell wire is just so unbearable, but I manage on its meage existance, please forgive me, I will try harder in furture.
I'm sure you suffer from PMT ( Post musical Tramour )
Happens evertime you move some thing on, or the lastest dogs dangly isn't what its cracked up to be, leaving you disilliousioned and in a quandry.
Maybe interior designing is calling you, the forefront of new techonolgy can be appiled there prehaps?, time aligned wall paper hanging?, mains treated power sander for smoother & better timed finshes maybe, or surpport isolation for the tea caddy, making a more balanced cuppa with less inhierent distrubance.
Please for give my inadiquate posts, I will PM them to you before hand for your personal approval before posting.
Your humble Tu-tu wearing bass lite and piss poor sounding servant
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For you, it must be both 1 + 2 My bell wire is just so unbearable, but I manage on its meage existance, please forgive me, I will try harder in furture.
I'm sure you suffer from PMT ( Post musical Tramour )
Happens evertime you move some thing on, or the lastest dogs dangly isn't what its cracked up to be, leaving you disilliousioned and in a quandry.
Maybe interior designing is calling you, the forefront of new techonolgy can be appiled there prehaps?, time aligned wall paper hanging?, mains treated power sander for smoother & better timed finshes maybe, or surpport isolation for the tea caddy, making a more balanced cuppa with less inhierent distrubance.
Please for give my inadiquate posts, I will PM them to you before hand for your personal approval before posting.
Your humble Tu-tu wearing bass lite and piss poor sounding servant
:kneel:
Come on Antonio, you can do better than that
Full Digital setups, Large bass cones and horns, vinyl and valves. All great entertainment.
At least I have been lucky enough to live with most of these options
You seem trapped like a prisoner on the beach, being chased by the big AV ball, whilst Silly Flapper Thumbelina 11's trying to hook up with King Rel and his exceedingly small pile driver.
As for in walls - IT WAS A JOKE (or yoke as you might say). Having said that, there are some very sound reasons why they could work superbly with subs
OH AND WM ,me old mucker,
Why so evasive? There can only be two explanations surely. I will try to do a screen capture of WM's measurement for everyone, but it was taken at the listening position. It would seem odd for WM to take the latest set nearfield, but then odd might just find a home down Cheltenham way.
Full Digital setups, Large bass cones and horns, vinyl and valves. All great entertainment.
At least I have been lucky enough to live with most of these options
You seem trapped like a prisoner on the beach, being chased by the big AV ball, whilst Silly Flapper Thumbelina 11's trying to hook up with King Rel and his exceedingly small pile driver.
As for in walls - IT WAS A JOKE (or yoke as you might say). Having said that, there are some very sound reasons why they could work superbly with subs
OH AND WM ,me old mucker,
Why so evasive? There can only be two explanations surely. I will try to do a screen capture of WM's measurement for everyone, but it was taken at the listening position. It would seem odd for WM to take the latest set nearfield, but then odd might just find a home down Cheltenham way.
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