So Thorsten has broken cover ...

Such blither cannot even be answered sensibly. Speakers produce orders of magnitude more distortion than the rest of the system combined.

 

Nonsense Murray. You just want to believe you are floating above us all in a realm of enlightenment - it isnt the case

 

Cant you 2 get a room, maybe share at that ****athon?

 

I can't be bothered any more, bye all.

 

'Fraid not BBV. There are people way further down the road than I am. They aren't using pmc's though!

 

Yes, I am a self confessed audio nerd, I think who's posted in this thread is. Your a mixture of nerd and 'keep-it-in-the-family' redneck though.

We also aren't talking about the SCM100/150/300 though. I'm using the drivers in the SCM50 so its natural that I'd draw parallels with that design, although still different in implementation(thankfully). Flip flopping on the issue doesn't validate anything, it just highlights that your clutching at straws.

You also fail to realise that the problem driver in all the designs is the ATC mid. All ATC's larger monitors share that driver and also all have the very same XO points - 380hz & 3.5Khz with 24dB/oct. I'm half betting that the XO's are identical for the SCM50/100/150/300. So as you can see the problems aren't address but are simply carried across with greater bass extension as you go up through bass driver size and number.

 

One day you may well realise that it is.

 

I've never had a tube based amp in my system before, only experienced them at hifi shows which is usually entirely unsuitable. I did hear some rather nice MBL ones on the end of their top of the range omni directional loudspeakers at the Northern hifi Show this year in January.

I also heard an unknown model - very highly polished gold body with piano finished chunky realwood side cheeks, a real work of art it was. Where was I? Oh yes, I heard this unknown model with some JBL K2's. Again another head turner with a natural and 'live' sound that drew you in from the corridor outside, I half expected a small jazz ensemble to playing in the room before I actually walked in - that's when you know something is right.

I should also add that I've heard many more that sounded pretty aweful. The same goes for sand amps too but there seems to be less at the poor end but just as few at the really good end. Much was very debatable because hifi shows aren't representative of system performance, a few rooms are obviously the exception though but these are rare.

 

Murray, your right, I have no idea what I'm looking at there. It looks like the innards of that pesky K9 that keeps being mentioned. I only have limited exposure to valves so my generalisations were a bit tounge in cheek. I heard a warm, gushing, live sounding, hissy DIY valve once, plus I owned a BAT vk3ix too. That was accurate, clinical but still bloody noisey and hissy. Made my ultra clean hifi spinning ninja tunes sound like a battered old LP12. The amp was brand new and was check over by the dealer too. Pah, valves and me didn't mix afterall. Too many compromises

 

Caviar to pigs.

 

Dev, did you ever use those steel plinths in the end? Other than to line a skip I mean

 

Didn't you read the ****athon rules. No. 1 clearly states ..."No touching other participants".

Has "Mr Happy" gone? And not one mention of Dave Gilmour, amazing!......................EDIT: Oh yes he did, predictable.

 

Yes, very serious.

I'm not the only one that thinks so either. I've already said that I've got a nice sounding system and this is with those same drivers you have. Despite going through a few bass drivers and trying out a couple of tweeters I've never thrown the ATC mid out of the design because its very good when harnessed fully, infact I saw huge potential and spent £800 for a pair of supers to replace the standards.

I'm mong'in out here so I'll put it as simply as possible:

Distortion absolutely sky rockets on the ATC mid below 400hz and its got a cone breakup at 4.5Khz. ATC's XO allows these to become factors that can both be heard and definitely measured when considering the loudspeaker system as a whole. It not gross distortion that would disturb one but when compared to an XO that largely negates these problems then it becomes clear which sounds and measures better.

I won't go into the frequency response of the ATC mid, its **** poor though and needs some wedging. ATC don't bother with that though.

You need to audition the SCM50's alongside my K9's so you can hear these improvements. At the moment your only point of reference is those and a lot of faith despite evidence screaming to the contrary.

Do you have a fetish for where people live? First BBV and now me. Glad you liked it BTW

 

Did i say they should touch?
Maybe just show him his and he can show him his

 

Yes Paul, I most certainly did. Without doubt the best upgrade ever! Tightened up the bottom end nicely, thank you. If only they were about an inch wider. Take a look at this picture:-

 

Taken from here:

http://www.zerogain.com/forum/showpost.php?p=179125&postcount=175

 

That looks a bit scary there.

What are the speakers Dev?

 

Tannoy D700.

What do you mean scary? I have a mm on each side. Seriously they work very well, at least for me.

 

Cool. Just don't play them too loud or you may get a huge thud of bass as they tip over!

 

I was joking Dev. They liked them really. If WW wasn't down you could have a look.

rgs,

Murray