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Alex, yep.. and he didn't fondle my pagode once.. i felt most cheated.

Re: the tonal balance discussion i can't hear any difrence twixt Mana, Pagode and a Window ledge -- and I have 60 minus 3,123 posts to prove it.

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Anex said:
When the glass and metal are hit with these frequencies they vibrate in sympathy with them. Therefore the whole stack will start vibrating at these frequencies.
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Yes, and what's the problem?
 
The Devil said:
The people who have opined that Mana alters the tonal balance have provided zero evidence to back up their claims*, whereas I have provided strong refuting evidence. The ball is in your court.

*IOW, the tonal balance alteration falls into the category of a belief, like religion, based on nothing at all.
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:rolleyes: I gave you evidence, the fact you don't understand it does not mean its based on 'religeon'. You haven't provided any evidence what so ever, just your opinion on it.
 
The Devil said:
Yes, and what's the problem?[/QUOTE

Go back a few pages to where you were saying its a vibration sink and so on then think about it for a minute. Its not like its complicated. If its vibrating in itself, its not taking all the energy away is it. Its becoming another source of vibration like anything else.

EDIT: If you read what I'm saying you'll see I didn't say there was a problem with it resonating. The problem is in your making things up, yes, everything resonates and everything has a sonic signature as I have stated. Therefore everything will send vibrations back into the hifi, thus altering its tonal balance. Thats why I prefer wood to metal and so on which I stated a few of posts back but you decided to overlook
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Anex said:
If its vibrating in itself, its not taking all the energy away is it.
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Not all, no: it is taking away a proportion of the vibrational energy.

Its becoming another source of vibration like anything else
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No it isn't: the vibration in the stand is "driven" from the turntable (or whatever else is upon it).
 
The Devil said:
Posts 474 & 488.

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Evidence? "My system sounds quite good to me". Surely even you would not claim that to be evidence Bub?

Question. How do you know the original tonal balance without going to listen to a correctly setup system?
 
No its driven by feedback from the speakers and everything placed on it and at the points it resonates, combined with the input which creates the resonance you get more energy at that frequency put back into the system and becomes a source of vibration creating different effects on your output
 
Stereo Mic said:
Evidence? "My system sounds quite good to me". Surely even you would not claim that to be evidence Bub?

Question. How do you know the original tonal balance without going to listen to a correctly setup system?
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I didn't write that, please don't misquote.

Answer. Play a CD to the pianist who made the recording.
 
Anex said:
No its driven by feedback from the speakers and everything placed on it and at the points it resonates, combined with the input which creates the resonance you get more energy at that frequency put back into the system and becomes a source of vibration creating different effects on your output
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I think feedback from the speakers is inevitable, unless the system is placed in a quiet environment, such as another room. A stand cannot generate its own vibrations.
 
Not a misquote. More a paraphrase.

Come on, where is the evidence you offered up. MLSSA?

Did it ever cross your mind that you might have met a polite pianist?
 
The Devil said:
personal politics prevents such a comparison ever being carried out.
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Not at all. if i felt my system needed it i'd give it a go. As it is without any Mana - it sounds fine so no need to add any.
 
I don't know any pianists.

I do know tonal aberrations when I hear them though. And hot air when I read it.
 
The Devil said:
I think feedback from the speakers is inevitable, unless the system is placed in a quiet environment, such as another room. A stand cannot generate its own vibrations.
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Oh good god, do you deliberately misread everything so it suits you? Your not even arguing about the same thing anymore. Actually, I already know the answer to that

Anyway, I've had enough, you must be right, Mana racks defy the laws of physics. Perhaps they've discovered a way to create a singularity at the base of every stand whose infinite mass allows it to act as a perfect vibration sink and cure all resonance within a stand. You obviously know far more about it than me, don't know why I even bothered doing a degree, should have just asked you.
 
The Devil said:
I have never said that Mana is a perfect vibration sink. Nothing in life is perfect. It's a good one, though.
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No you said it doesn't affect frequency response. The only way you could possibly do that is by having an entirely one way system where all the vibration is taken downwards away from the system. This requires a perfect vibration sink, which requires infinite mass.
 
I know quite a few pianists. Most of them listen to music in a concert hall or on a Denon or B&O midi-system, depending on how succesful they are. Claiming as evidence or weight of argument that they're impressed with a decent and exorbitant (in their terms) hi-fi does not stand up, I'm afraid.
 
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