30 years on...

Alex, yep.. and he didn't fondle my pagode once.. i felt most cheated.

Re: the tonal balance discussion i can't hear any difrence twixt Mana, Pagode and a Window ledge -- and I have 60 minus 3,123 posts to prove it.

sanity restored

 

Yes, and what's the problem?

 

I gave you evidence, the fact you don't understand it does not mean its based on 'religeon'. You haven't provided any evidence what so ever, just your opinion on it.

 

Sorry. Please explain more clearly why it is a problem if a stand resonates - as they all do.

 

Not all, no: it is taking away a proportion of the vibrational energy.

No it isn't: the vibration in the stand is "driven" from the turntable (or whatever else is upon it).

 

Evidence? "My system sounds quite good to me". Surely even you would not claim that to be evidence Bub?

Question. How do you know the original tonal balance without going to listen to a correctly setup system?

 

No its driven by feedback from the speakers and everything placed on it and at the points it resonates, combined with the input which creates the resonance you get more energy at that frequency put back into the system and becomes a source of vibration creating different effects on your output

 

I didn't write that, please don't misquote.

Answer. Play a CD to the pianist who made the recording.

 

I think feedback from the speakers is inevitable, unless the system is placed in a quiet environment, such as another room. A stand cannot generate its own vibrations.

 

Not a misquote. More a paraphrase.

Come on, where is the evidence you offered up. MLSSA?

Did it ever cross your mind that you might have met a polite pianist?

 

If you knew any pianists, you'd know they are not polite.

It was a wilfully-misleading paraphrase.

 

Not at all. if i felt my system needed it i'd give it a go. As it is without any Mana - it sounds fine so no need to add any.

 

It sounds OK. There's always room for improvement, as you well know, fox.

 

I don't know any pianists.

I do know tonal aberrations when I hear them though. And hot air when I read it.

 

Oh good god, do you deliberately misread everything so it suits you? Your not even arguing about the same thing anymore. Actually, I already know the answer to that

Anyway, I've had enough, you must be right, Mana racks defy the laws of physics. Perhaps they've discovered a way to create a singularity at the base of every stand whose infinite mass allows it to act as a perfect vibration sink and cure all resonance within a stand. You obviously know far more about it than me, don't know why I even bothered doing a degree, should have just asked you.

 

I have never said that Mana is a perfect vibration sink. Nothing in life is perfect. It's a good one, though.

 

You miss it when you write it, though.

 

No you said it doesn't affect frequency response. The only way you could possibly do that is by having an entirely one way system where all the vibration is taken downwards away from the system. This requires a perfect vibration sink, which requires infinite mass.

 

I know quite a few pianists. Most of them listen to music in a concert hall or on a Denon or B&O midi-system, depending on how succesful they are. Claiming as evidence or weight of argument that they're impressed with a decent and exorbitant (in their terms) hi-fi does not stand up, I'm afraid.